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06:17 < kanzure> .wik variable reluctance stepper motor
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06:53 < kanzure> anders proposes forcing companies to divest 50% of all profits because "AI bad" https://twitter.com/anderssandberg/status/1225157666798030848
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09:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b9ef8e05 Bryan Bishop: add video link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/ctv-bip-review-workshop/
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11:42 < maaku> somebody save these oxford twits from themselves
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13:59 < lsneff> They want to get rid of inequality so bad, they're gonna cause it haha
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14:56 < lsneff> Hey kanzure, that skdb concept looks really cool, but the page hadn't been updated since 2012. Was it put on hold at some point?
14:56 < kanzure> it doesn't work.
14:56 < kanzure> idea is probably broken. no incentives for package maintainers.
15:00 < nmz787> wasn't the idea basically "if we had perfect knowledge, and unlimited compute power, we can design all stuff from scratch" or something?
15:04 < nmz787> or maybe that is a likely conclusion, after realizing how badly normalized/curated most internet-data is, how difficult simulations of *anything* scale stuff is (i.e. chemistry)
15:04 < nmz787> I do however, really like the mascot... he's clearly a winner
15:05 < kanzure> no it didn't require perfect knowledge or unlimited computation
15:07 < nmz787> well, I mean it seems like it would, to actually work
15:07 < nmz787> or at least unlimited compute power to do all the crazy chemistry planning
15:08 < nmz787> "i want to make a screw"  and "I have nothing but dirt and some polluted water" don't really connect too well without lots of reactions, other intermediary equipment (which also need the same metal that screw needs), etc
15:12 < TMA> skdb? serial-killer database?
15:13 < kanzure> oh wow that's a totally original joke that we haven't heard 1 quintillion times
15:13 < kanzure> what am i paying you people for
15:13 < TMA> this is the first hit for skdb: https://www.fgcu.edu/skdb/
15:13 < jrayhawk> kanzure's just bitter because he wanted an apple pie made from scratch and didn't have the time or manpower to invent the universe
15:14 < jrayhawk> now he's stuck with storebought
15:16 < jrayhawk> stale, cheap ingredients, full of weird preservatives
15:19 < nmz787> lol
15:20 < nmz787> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc
15:21 < nmz787> Carl Sagan - 'A Glorious Dawn' ft Stephen Hawking (Symphony of Science)
15:21 < nmz787> (sorry, obligatory)
16:02 < fenn> skdb wasn't about designing everything from scratch, it was about cataloguing what we already know, and some basic operations that could be performed on that data
16:03 < fenn> it shouldn't have used very much computation at all, as it's mostly symbolic
16:03 < fenn> i expected most of this data to already be available in some form, but it turns out academia has ignored the entire field of manufacturing for many decades
16:04 < fenn> also terrible things like "database copyrights"
16:05 < fenn> incentives for academia are wrong
16:05 < fenn> it should be totally valid for a PhD candidate to just make the biggest ever database of X as their thesis
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19:08 < lsneff> So, how exactly would it work? You want to make something and it spits out the ways you can make that with the materials you have on hand?
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19:31 < lsneff> kanzure: I imagine there are similar incentives for creating skdb packages as there are for debian or npm packages?
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20:00 < lsneff> There must be some way to make it work. It'd be a shame is such a thing isn't viable.
20:01 < lsneff> Maybe it requires MNT...
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20:33 < fenn> "the ways you can make that with the materials on hand" was a bit of feature creep
20:33 < fenn> it was supposed to spit out "the way to make it" but i wanted a bit of flexibility so you didn't have to have exactly the same model number of each tool and machine
20:34 < fenn> but then you have to have a way to define practical equivalence
20:35 < fenn> and that requires an ontology in which to describe the features of the tool, which for many tools hasn't been developed by anybody yet
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21:47 < lsneff> fenn: okay, I see.
21:48 < lsneff> This would be extremely useful for colonization, right?
21:48 < lsneff> Well, maybe you'd need an additional feature of an automated assembly line kind of thing
21:48 < lsneff> If you had robots that could remove pieces from tools and place them on another tool
21:51 < lsneff> I suppose that's a *hard problem*
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