--- Log opened Fri Feb 07 00:00:32 2020 00:04 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: kill them all] 01:14 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vavperdrvdgqkpzw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:32 < maaku> lsneff: I think kanzure is being overly cynical. SKDB could totally work. It just didn't see adoption by the community. 01:32 < maaku> I don't think it was taken far enough, honestly. It needed a lot more work to get to the point where adoption would take off. 01:34 < maaku> lsneff: just use an industrial arm to move parts around 01:41 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xahotpyjvifdrgpg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:26 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:27 -!- kun0[m] [kun0matrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nwasdzhktmzjfckf] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:43 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:15 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@1F2E5336.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:22 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@1F2E5336.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [] 03:22 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@1F2E5336.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- kun0[m] [kun0matrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ulwnebyxzunntnpg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:54 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:02 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:05 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:11 < lewlx> why are electrical spikes of a single neuron only measuarable from a max distance of 60um? (said by neural link) 04:29 < archels_> to an approximation, your single neuron is bathing in a highly conductive fluid, which tends to equalise any potential differences 04:33 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jupxxwezrraegjlo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:38 < lewlx> ty 05:07 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:25 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:55 < fenn> lewlx: there's no way to decide which neuron is spiking; it could by any one of them in a sphere around the electrode 06:55 < fenn> be* 07:25 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@1F2E5336.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:48 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:50 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:52 < kanzure> lsneff: molecular biology is molecular nanotechnology and it's the best you're going to be getting for a while in that department. 07:53 < kanzure> maaku: i think adoption would need a much stronger more specific argument ("why would people write code to represent an industrial hydraulic press especially if the other ecosystem parts are unavailable yet") 08:03 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 < lsneff> kanzure: I suspect such a project would need an influx on funding to start it off and get the basics down before it could become self-sustaining. 08:20 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:41 < lsneff> Just as the open source ecosystem took years (arguably decades) before it became self-sustaining, an open-source manufacturing ecosystem would as well. 08:49 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftjfsyjbunqwprhl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 < juri_> open source ecology much? 09:01 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:12 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:3dbf:3d74:245:e947] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:00 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jupxxwezrraegjlo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:07 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:10 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftjfsyjbunqwprhl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:38 < nmz787> kanzure: do you have a higher-res version of gnusha.png? I want think I'll try etching a colored hologram of it with the FIB 11:39 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:44 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:46 < kanzure> heath: ^ 11:48 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 < heath> nmz787: sorry :( it's definitely on one of my drives sitting in a box in a closet 11:51 < heath> guess I should buy an ide/sata docking station at this point with ~10 of those devices lying around 12:01 -!- mrdata_ is now known as mrdata 12:07 < lsneff> Would it be valid to say that free-as-in-freedom software didn't take off until free-as-in-beer software was already popular? 12:13 < lsneff> I'm probably just biased because I wasn't really around before the early 2010s 12:14 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- dustinm` [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:16 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fksaqtpkbapoptom] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-heumyjiarobfqejf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:44 < nmz787> lsneff: I've been using linux for about 20 years and still don't know the difference between free-dom and free-beer 12:45 < nmz787> like, I've got American freedom, but that doesn't include drinking beer unless it's offered as free (otherwise it's theft) 12:46 < nmz787> err, or I pay 12:46 < nmz787> so those mantras have always confused me 12:46 < nmz787> like, it's not really freedom, it's conditional approval 13:03 < fenn> freedom - you can do whatever you want 13:03 < fenn> free beer - you don't have to pay for it 13:10 < nmz787> well I can't rob you 13:14 < kanzure> i made the list for "top 100 people in blockchain" https://cointelegraph.com/top-people-in-crypto-and-blockchain 13:14 < fenn> why did you do that? 13:18 < lsneff> I've personally found that a lot of the people in the free-as-in-freedom software ecosystem are quite abrasive. I could believe that many people would be turned off by a project being associated with that crowd. Possibly, that's part of the attribution why the open source manufacturing wasn't adopted widely. 13:18 < superkuh> I explain my reluctance to use $x to strangers as "computer veganism". 13:22 < kanzure> fenn: i didn't make it. i made it. like they put me in there. 13:25 < lsneff> That's very cool, kanzure 13:34 < nmz787> lsneff: most of the world uses android, that's pretty wide, the internet too 13:35 < lsneff> Oh yes, absolutely, but those were all driven by money 13:35 < lsneff> Google didn't want to write a new operating system, so they used Linux, etc 13:36 < lsneff> I think I've lost my point, actually 13:36 < kanzure> anyway, at this point i think there's a failure of imagination regarding "apt-get for hardware" 13:37 < kanzure> biological self-replication is much more well understood and widely available 13:37 < kanzure> (and the incentives are also much more thoroughly understood) 13:44 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ostylizpponubyee] has joined 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capitalizing on people worrying about shootings in the states 14:30 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fksaqtpkbapoptom] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:35 < fenn> it's for when you become a high value target 14:36 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:36 < fenn> can't go to every business meeting wearing a bullet proof vest and act all casual about it 14:52 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@57.sub-174-195-132.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:59 < lsneff> Ah, that sounds more reasonable, my mistake. 15:17 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:24 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@57.sub-174-195-132.myvzw.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined 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views) 16:18 < fenn> try thinking of positive examples 16:18 < nmz787> pfft, that'll get you thrown in a dark hole for sure 16:24 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- turona_ [~quassel@2a01:c22:b039:e500:9f0d:2992:9915:d8aa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:29 -!- lewlx [~lewlx@0526D95A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@57.sub-174-195-132.myvzw.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 -!- turona [~quassel@x590c3e0d.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:59 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@57.sub-174-195-132.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@57.sub-174-195-132.myvzw.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@57.sub-174-195-132.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55 -!- Codaraxis 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