--- Log opened Sat Mar 14 00:00:21 2020
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04:40 < dr-orlovsky> Fucking fuck: this is 2015 work published in *Nature* on "new" coronovirus created in US lab via genetic engineering with bats and proven to be able to affect humans. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
04:46 < dr-orlovsky> They have taken existing SARS-CoV virus from bats and genetically modified it to make able to attack human lung cells via human ACE2 — exactly the same thing how SARS-CoV-2 (causing Covid-19) works
04:47 < dr-orlovsky> it does not mean that US has introduced this virus to China - any lab in the world can just read the article and do what is described there, and will get SARS-CoV-2 as a result
04:47 < dr-orlovsky> it also does not mean that SARS-CoV-2 was not created by a natural mutation “replicating” results obtained by scientists - I would not say that it’s a low probability (such mutation can happen in the natural environment quite easily)
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07:29 < kanzure> .title https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
07:29 < saxo> A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence | Nature Medicine
07:38 < archels_> can we just kill off all the bats?
07:41 < kanzure> not unless you're batman
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13:11 < maaku> how about we just get people to stop eating bats raw
13:38 < maaku> or at all, really
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15:29 < lsneff> Well, what's the difference between eating cooked bats and cooked cows?
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15:44 < maaku> lsneff: generally speaking farm-raised cows don't have wild diseases that might jump to humans
15:45 < maaku> this is more about eating wild animals, of which there is a subculture of doing in southern china which gave us SARS, bird flu, covid-19, and probably others
15:45 < maaku> fuck that
15:46 < lsneff> Ah, okay
15:46 < lsneff> Yeah, that is annoying.
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16:32 < juri_> go vegan.
17:07 < TMA> also cooking in a way to destroy pathogens is generally not done -- because it is really hard to do (separate sets of cutlery for cooked/uncooked or sanitizing them every time they are repurposed)
17:08 < TMA> plus - cooking to the temperature required to be safe destroys some of the flavour - a well done steak is safer than a carpaccio
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17:24 < maaku> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22576589
17:24 < saxo> Ask HN: Non-cloud voice recognition for home use? | Hacker News
17:25 < maaku> juri_: the problem is getting everyone else to go vegan
17:25 < maaku> TMA: the bigger problem is that they don't cook at all -- it's considered more of a delicacy to eat raw
17:25 < maaku> yay for raw bat meat
17:34 < TMA> I have heard that even chicken meat is quite delicious when raw (I have not been in Japan, where they do not have Salmonella, no first hand knowledge)
17:35 < TMA> I can attest for carpaccio/steak tartar tastiness though (raw beef)
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18:27 < lsneff> Raw fish is very good imo
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20:41 < kanzure> hmph
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21:29 < dingo> howdy do kanzaru
21:30 < dingo> i wasn't up to anything, just thought i'd deliver best wishes
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22:19 < fenn> is that a pokemon
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22:42 < maaku> lsneff: disease usually doesn't transfer fish -> humans
23:33 < nmz787_> dingo: nice home alone 2 refernce
23:52 < dingo> haha i didn't even know i made a movie reference but great tidings
23:54 < dingo> i wore a racoon-skin cap today
23:59 < dingo> it was a big hit at the weed store
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