--- Log opened Thu Apr 09 00:00:48 2020 00:23 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:13 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:26 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:39 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:13 < nmz787> was gardening earlier and neighbor came near the fence... was probably 6-8ft at nearest... talked for probably 5 minutes and coughed twice. Started a fire in the backyard half an hour later and the smoke indicated that, if going the same direction as when I was chatting, that I was upwind of them 02:13 < nmz787> my wife was extremely mad I didn't leave the conversation almost immediately after it started 02:14 < Urchin> she has a point 02:15 < nmz787> yeah, IDK why I didn't think of it 02:15 < nmz787> maybe the guy was 10 ft... hrmm 02:18 < Urchin> maybe taking a few steps back would have been good 02:30 < jrayhawk> she was mad because you forgot to wear your plague mask outside 02:30 < jrayhawk> the miasma might get you 02:36 < archels> I'm thinking of making a shirt for my girlfriend's birthday next week, "it's not COVID, I just have hay fever" 02:41 < jrayhawk> fenn: the doctor is required by law to lie about the anecdotes, and the statistics are things like "Twelve percent of patients with the most critical cases, requiring admission to an ICU, were ages 20 to 44" 02:41 < jrayhawk> why are you posting clickbait Atlantic bullshit here 02:43 < jrayhawk> it's weird to think that there was a time when the atlantic was actually an admirable publication 02:53 < fenn> sorry what 02:54 < fenn> are you doubting the message of the article or saying it's off topic? 02:57 < fenn> frankly i don't trust any statistics anymore 02:58 < fenn> there's so much sampling bias, incompetence, and ridiculous requirements just to get tested 02:58 < fenn> oh so you only spent 3 weeks feeling like you were dying, is that all 02:59 < fenn> too tired to pick up the phone and call for help? guess it doesn't count 02:59 < fenn> but hey you're not dead so it doesn't matter at all 02:59 < fenn> at least as far as we know, so far, since nobody has actually looked at the possibility of long term damage 03:02 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has quit [Quit: useless bullshit channel] 03:03 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 < fenn> oops 03:06 < jrayhawk> long-term scarring of the lung tissue is fairly widely reported 03:35 < mrdata> the great outdoors is not the danger 03:36 < mrdata> 6-8ft is as good as an N95 mask even if you were downwind 03:37 < mrdata> 5 minutes is not so long 03:38 < mrdata> still air, outdoors, is better than still air, indoors 03:38 < mrdata> light wind is better than still air 03:40 < mrdata> i have never caught a cold by being exposed outside; only\ inside 03:41 < mrdata> those who believe the outdoors is the danger might begin to believe they smell death in the air 03:51 < mrdata> droplets land on surfaces; sunlight deactivates the virus; trees filter the air 03:52 < mrdata> 1 cubic km is a billion cubic m; thats a lot of dilution 03:54 < fenn> yes but also https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08 03:57 < mrdata> it's about how close you are 03:57 < mrdata> and theyre over-reacting 03:57 < fenn> i don't see a huge difference between running in front of someone vs being upwind 03:58 < fenn> the exact geometry, wind direction, wind turbulence, etc, etc, all matter 04:00 < mrdata> they are neglecting crosswind 04:02 < mrdata> on a cold day, you can see someone's breath in the air; dont step into the centre of that cloud and inhale 04:02 < mrdata> but *shrug* 04:02 < fenn> video http://twitter.com/bertblocken/status/1247540730425249799 04:02 < mrdata> how much this affects infection rate in a practical way is very slight even if measureable 04:02 < fenn> (just animations of the ansys simulation) 04:06 < mrdata> all that assumes still air, no cross breeze, which is almost never the case outdoors 04:10 -!- Codaraxis__ [~Codaraxis@ip68-5-175-208.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc155793-brmb11-2-0-cust474.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:22 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc155793-brmb11-2-0-cust474.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:34 < fenn> just the intuition of how far droplets travel in a 4km/hr wind before falling to the ground is better than anything i've seen 04:34 < fenn> that's barely any wind at all fwiw 04:35 < fenn> dear lazyweb, please read this and give me a flowchart, thanks. https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2020/04/01/taking-initial-viral-load-seriously/ 04:55 < mrdata> the vast majority of droplets fall to the ground; some small ones, ~ 1 micrometer in size, can remain airborne for awhile 04:55 < mrdata> but it's a small fraction of infectious material 04:55 < mrdata> obviously you do want to avoid the cloud 04:56 < mrdata> but outside, it will disperse pretty thoroughly 04:57 < mrdata> at whatever speed you are walking or riding, if you leave at least 3 seconds gap, then you should be sufficient distance 04:58 < mrdata> you will want to do this anyway in order to slow down if you have to 05:32 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:32 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssnmezcvklkmzyxi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 < mrdata> i read as far into that blog post on initial viral load as, "Yes, this involves infecting individuals." and stopped there 07:09 < mrdata> it's really tough to justify, ethically, until better treatment options exist and then maybe only for vaccine trials 07:09 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.12] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:22 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:29 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09 < mrdata> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238819-does-a-high-viral-load-or-infectious-dose-make-covid-19-worse/ 08:14 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:34 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has quit [Quit: I'm out.] 09:06 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssnmezcvklkmzyxi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:50 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:47 -!- traumschule [~traumschu@mehl.schokokeks.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 < nmz787> hehe, I've mostly read about slip-streaming in terms of hypermiling in cars 11:45 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:85ad:d670:765f:ee45] has quit [] 12:22 < lsneff> .title https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/11/eaaz0087 12:22 < saxo> Temporal circuit of macroscale dynamic brain activity supports human consciousness | Science Advances 12:23 < nmz787> ignorant TL;DR: synchronization matters 12:32 < lsneff> Yes 12:44 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jojzxzweunpvtxgw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 < archels> lsneff: you mentioned the c-word, put a dollar into the jar 13:06 < lsneff> archels: 💵 13:09 < lsneff> Hey, actually saxo did, the bot should put a dollar in the jar 13:16 < superkuh> very abstracted, much fmri, wow. 13:33 -!- urkk [~urkk@116.128.239.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 -!- darsie is now known as undead 13:54 -!- undead is now known as darsie 15:15 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-155-161-135.adslplus.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jojzxzweunpvtxgw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:19 < kanzure> hmph 16:45 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:59 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:37 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wcisgmlkejztzddp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wugcpkljvxhrnqmq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:00 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-155-161-135.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:29 < fenn> no flowchart, such sadness 20:34 -!- Codaraxis__ [~Codaraxis@ip68-5-175-208.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:07 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wugcpkljvxhrnqmq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:15 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wcisgmlkejztzddp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:19 < fenn> it's going to be a mad rush for unused freenode channels early UTC afternoon april 11 21:28 < Malvolio> what why 22:35 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:48 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Fri Apr 10 00:00:48 2020