--- Log opened Thu May 14 00:00:20 2020 00:55 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- Cory [~Cory@071-013-023-252.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:00 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:09 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:37 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 < archels> apparently someone is cyber-attacking the Human Brain Project 02:53 < archels> some HPC systems are down 03:12 < fenn> it's somewhat surprising that anyone with the motive to do that actually has the ability 03:14 < fenn> schizos, anti-AI activists, neuroscience competitors 03:14 < fenn> probably just collateral damage in some other cyber-conflict 03:17 < archels> somehow I doubt there are business interests at play here, with all due respect to the HBP I'm not sure there's much to grab for $China 03:17 < archels> could also just be kids at play. Who wouldn't want to break into a supercomputer? 03:17 < archels> nsh will back me up here 03:18 < nsh> china wouldn't ddos things. likely reprobates 03:18 < nsh> and/or people hitting things not even knowing what they are 03:19 < nsh> all this recent 'china is hacking the coronavirus labs' stuff is somewhat disingenuous. they're probably doing the same thing that's usually done; it's just now in the perceived interests of US spooks to moan about it 03:19 < nsh> and the research is a collaborative endeavour anyway 03:23 < archels> hmm, some coronavirus simulations are in fact being run on these European HPC platforms 03:23 < archels> but it's rather out in the open anyway, afaik 03:24 < archels> based on the information I have, it's not just a DoS but they're actually trying to penetrate (or have been successful at that in at least one instance) 03:34 < nsh> ah 04:30 < juri_> everything gets attacked. the internet is acidic. 04:31 < L29Ah> no it's basic 04:43 < fenn> .title http://imgur.com/gallery/rDjh3Ut 04:43 < saxo> Drone Flamethrower Clears Debris From Powerline - Album on Imgur 04:52 < nsh> i think you'll find the it's the users who are basic 04:58 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:59 < archels> juri_: don't I sense some Ludd there? 05:01 < archels> this somehow feels like the "is technology good or evil" cliché 05:08 < nsh> it's closer to say that the internet like the earth experiences as a constant bath of background radiation 05:08 < nsh> it's just that unlike the CMB which is relatively benign except for causing static 05:09 < nsh> the internet's background radiation is trying to own your shit to mine moneros and ddos gamers 05:20 < L29Ah> lol 05:20 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:20 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 < kanzure> hm 07:06 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: nothing is better than something else] 07:15 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osrglkexuygolvjn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.89] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:49 -!- ffranr [~ffranr@79-65-235-120.host.pobb.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:10 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 < fenn> how about a model of education where we just give kids a budget to work with and they buy equipment and hire people to teach them how to do stuff 10:25 < fenn> you could buy a lot of stuff with an entire teacher's salary 10:26 < fenn> now math becomes very relevant 10:28 < fenn> all stuff becomes property of the school and accumulates over time 10:48 < pasky> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoczYXJeMY4 10:48 < saxo> Am I still lactose tolerant? - Lactose Gene Therapy Update - YouTube 10:49 -!- ffranr [~ffranr@79-65-235-120.host.pobb.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:49 < superkuh> The chitin transport through membranes really surprised me. 10:53 -!- urkk [~urkk@173.142.239.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:58 < L29Ah> fenn: kids buy candies on all the money 11:00 < fenn> yep 11:00 < fenn> they still gotta pass their standardized tests 11:08 < fenn> from the lactose gene therapy guy https://medium.com/@justinatkin/building-a-nuclear-reactor-out-of-garbage-and-why-experimentation-should-be-central-to-learning-d3ea8fa15599 11:22 < archels> official cyber attack statement (?) https://drive.ebrains.eu/ 11:24 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-swlujvhmyfsktmnx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:38 < nsh> kids don't want to think about budgeting 11:38 < nsh> in fact you define the death of innocence by the willingness to contemplate a budget 11:39 < nsh> children should be protected from market realities until death, if not longer 11:51 < fenn> how will anyone learn to deal with reality then 11:53 < jrayhawk> fenn: some of the free/democratic schools do budgeting in that manner, or encourage and facilitate student-driven capitalist fundraising for such purposes 11:53 < jrayhawk> such as sudbury valley 11:55 < jrayhawk> they try to act as a microcosm of traditional american social ideals (individual moral autonomy, direct democratic governance, common-law social accountability) 12:08 < lsneff> That would've been really great for me in school I think. 12:10 < lsneff> "how about a model of education where we just give kids a budget to work with and they buy equipment and hire people to teach them how to do stuff" I mean 12:15 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [] 12:19 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 < fenn> i like the sudbury ethos in general but i feel that majority vote over budget is a sort of tyranny and unnecessarily politicizing 12:25 < fenn> i haven't really found a formal description of their system yet, only this: 12:25 < fenn> from the lactose gene therapy guy https://medium.com/@justinatkin/building-a-nuclear-reactor-out-of-garbage-and-why-experimentation-should-be-central-to-learning-d3ea8fa15599we believe that citizens of a direct democracy become most experienced at responsibility for their community. Therefore, the school is governed by a School Meeting, one man/one vote, by staff and students. This meeting 12:26 < fenn> arranges all administrative functions, budgets all moneys, makes all rules, hires and fires all staff, and protects the school from disorder by supervising a sub-group that handles all disciplinary complaints." 12:26 < fenn> gah 12:30 < fenn> from the inside of such a system it would be hard to imagine an alternative 12:32 -!- dongcarl [~dongcarl@unaffiliated/dongcarl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:18 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:31 < fenn> "The staff were just a dozen more interesting people that were at the school. We hired them to be there, so we could be sure we had this core of interesting people. Then you add all the students to that." 13:57 < kanzure> hiring interesting people, interesting concept. 14:01 -!- CRM114 is now known as Urchin 14:05 < lsneff> Seems solid to me 14:06 < fenn> dance, bear! 14:06 * fenn cracks the whip 14:14 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-swlujvhmyfsktmnx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:17 < kanzure> .title http://www.righto.com/2017/04/reverse-engineering-76477-space.html 14:17 < saxo> Reverse engineering the 76477 'Space Invaders' sound effect chip from die photos 15:27 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:34 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 15:35 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:21 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:34 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-103-159-2.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-103-159-2.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:53 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 < kanzure> .title https://pastebin.com/rDwpkiVA 17:43 < saxo> Vaults and CTV reading for London Socratic - Pastebin.com 17:54 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/pret/pokeyellow/pull/50 17:54 < saxo> merge pokered by dannye · Pull Request #50 · pret/pokeyellow · GitHub 18:13 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osrglkexuygolvjn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:34 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:ac1e:2a00:b6e1:cf47:2c20:69bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:35 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c23:5c33:5200:5d6b:8359:873d:eba7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.89] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55 -!- agile_prg2 [~nyb@50.227.202.42] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:56 -!- agile_prg3 [~nyb@96.70.252.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59 -!- ffranr [~ffranr@79-65-235-120.host.pobb.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:12 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:35 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Fri May 15 00:00:21 2020