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05:30 < faceface> What vitamin k do you take?
05:31 < faceface> I put some more question details on my pet project page: https://forum.ragerage.life/t/what-vitamin-k-do-you-take/34
05:31 < faceface> If anyone has done any research, I'd like to piggy back (and add content to my project page)
05:41 < darsie> carrots
05:47 < L29Ah> philloquinone
05:52 < faceface> Yeah, carrots are good
05:52 < faceface> But want to hyperdose
06:05 < fenn> chicken thighs
06:05 < fenn> tried natto and it made me sick
06:06 < fenn> there is an oil supplement for osteoporosis which is the most economical form
06:06 < fenn> mk-4 activates genes that other forms don't, and is probably the best form to take
06:14 < fenn> the difference between the two products linked in that forum post: the one from life extension contains 25x as much, in a form that persists in the body for much longer, and it's a softgel instead of a tablet
06:14 < fenn> it's really not even the same thing
06:15 < fenn> if you don't even know this much, why are you trying to "hyperdose"?
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06:23 < faceface> thanks fenn
06:24 < faceface> A colleague of mine who researches aging told me that D, K, Alpha-GPC, NMN, NR and TMG would make me live longer.
06:25 < faceface> Generally, I don't need much encouragement to start being stupid :-)
06:25 < fenn> ask him again what form of K
06:26 < fenn> while i agree it will probably extend your lifespan, the mechanism i have in mind is not due to reversal of aging
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06:43 < fenn> nikivi: please stop with all the join/quit spam
07:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1d5caa4a Adam Jonas: add ethan heilman network partition talk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/chaincode-labs/2019-06-12-ethan-heilman-network-partitioning-attacks/
07:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d6e67ab3 Michael Folkson: Edits to Fabian on debugging >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/tel-aviv-2019/edgedevplusplus/debugging-bitcoin/
07:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=02a4f7dd Michael Folkson: Merge pull request #163 from michaelfolkson/fabian-debugging-edits >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/
07:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d7f7761a Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #162 from adamjonas/add-chaincode-p2p-partitioning-talk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/
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07:48 < fenn> .wik dr. hackenstein
07:48 < saxo> "Dr. Hackenstein is a 1988 comedy horror film written and directed by Richard Clark and distributed by Troma Entertainment. After the death of his wife, Dr. Hackenstein (David Muir) concocts the perfect plan: with the help of a few graverobbers and a couple of lost girls, he [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Hackenstein
07:48 < fenn> "... he can use the spare parts to reanimate his dead spouse and build a better woman."
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09:15 < lsneff> .t https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1306969234631733250?s=20
09:15 < saxo> @JoeGunz42 It is a race against time. The reason we're hurting the planet is because we tried squeezing too much economic activity into it too quickly using poor technology. We can soon solve it, in part by moving industry off-planet, but the growing enviro & other problems might stop us. (@DrPhiltill, in reply to tw:1306958398404075521)
09:16 < lsneff> Can space boostrapping become self-sustaining before we hit full collapse down here after crop yields drop in the 30s?
09:22 < L29Ah> why would crop yields drop?
09:23 < superkuh> Loss of topsoil.
09:23 < superkuh> Loss of aquifer access.
09:24 < L29Ah> why do you think those are limiting factors?
09:24 < superkuh> Most food is grown in topsoil and with aquifer water.
09:25 < L29Ah> also there won't be collapse as food differs drastically in efficiency
09:25 < L29Ah> superkuh: so?
09:26 < L29Ah> i hereby allow farmers to switch to other sources of water and nutrients; the nutrients are being switched already in fact
09:35 < fenn> wow. i didn't think phil metzger was a doomer. maybe he's just engaging in "motivated cognition"
09:37 < fenn> where is "after crop yields drop in the 30s" even from? is this another club of rome prediction?
09:38 < darsie> We can always eat our food without processing it by animals first. Much more efficient that way.
09:38 < L29Ah> ^
09:38 < fenn> there are a zillion things that could be done. currently food is so ridiculously absurdly cheap that nobody is even incentivized to do better
09:40 < darsie> More likely millions will keep starving each year while others eat steak and cheese.
09:42 < fenn> if you want to try to fix western africa's abysmal system of violence through destruction of crops, there's nothing stopping you
09:42 < L29Ah> enjoy your closed borders, import tariffs, capital movement limitations, job protectionism and subsidies to domestic manufacturers
09:42 < fenn> (i can't think of any other population that is regularly starving)
09:43 < fenn> it's worth noting that george clooney (yes, really) has been trying to draw attention to this kind of violence in sudan for more than a decade now, and nobody seems to care
09:43 < fenn> they even have set up a satellite monitoring system to warn people to flee before militias arrive
09:44 < fenn> anyway it's got nothing to do with cheese
09:44 < L29Ah> damn i need a satallite monitoring system to flee before cops arrive
09:45 < fenn> people just love to get caught up in a narrative of dichotomy
09:45 < fenn> either/or haves/have-nots cheese/starving
09:46 < fenn> somehow the answer always HAS to be "if everybody just shares what they have"
09:47 < fenn> no matter how much food we have
09:49 < fenn> stop eating almonds
10:01 < lsneff> Nah, stop milking them
10:01 < L29Ah> almond cheese any1?
10:02 < darsie> Sometimes we support dictatorships who in return give us their resources cheaply.
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12:20 < lsneff> .t https://microclimate.com/pages/about-2
12:20 < saxo> About 2– MicroClimate
12:20 < lsneff> Here’s your environmental suit
12:21 < lsneff> (just a helmet, but still, it’s getting there)
12:25 < fenn> super lame that they trademarked the generic term of art
12:26 < lsneff> Are they allowed to do that?
12:26 < fenn> also i don't understand what it's supposed to do
12:26 < fenn> it's an air filter?
12:26 < lsneff> Yeah, it seems half baked
12:26 < lsneff> Ideally, I think it’d be temp controlled
12:27 < lsneff> But I think it’s just an air filter
12:27 < fenn> you'd expect a no-substance product like this to have all sorts of design/fashion work put into it
12:28 < fenn> instead it looks like something a freshman engineering student made
12:28 < fenn> "microclimate" is a big buzzword in military cockpit stuff
12:29 < fenn> typically you plug your helmet and vest into a coolant loop that's part of the vehicle
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12:29 < lsneff> It is very ugly
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15:39 < Bastura> should a person wait till 25-26 years of age to get into nootropics?
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16:17  * adlai sighs and reskims previous scrollback
16:19 < adlai> re:"what counts as life [off-world]", a while back I linked here a rather brief article about comparative reflectivities, although I think it was more focused on heat dissipation than chemical processes within and along the planet's atmosphere and surface
16:22 < adlai> my point, not that there is much of one to make yet, is that living things, whether karyotic, or at least archaic in the recognizeable earthly sense, or whatever other alien form they may take, will almost certainly fall somewhere in the Kardashev scale
16:22 < adlai> Venus gets boiled much more directly than Terra, so take that into consideration when searching for throgs.
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16:26 < adlai> the article linked was https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1717595115 "Thermodynamic limits of energy harvesting from outgoing thermal radiation"
16:29 < adlai> since Urchin seems to have closed emacs, I'll procrastinate explaining the various ancillary uses of any virus both sufficiently identifiable to have a plague named after it, and sufficiently nonlethal to have that plague infect almost every province, territory, principality, international conveyance, etc.
16:31 < adlai> the tail end of the explanation is "Robert Morris's internet worm was an attempt to estimate a graph diameter, not an attempt to build a prototype of the LOIC"
16:37 < adlai> kanzure: your context-free quote encapsulates a tail end of why I ultimately found my revisit to Zindell's "Requiem for Homo Sapiens" quite a depressing one: Danlo kicks ass because he's the product of interbreeding among the elites, and all the song of life and splendor nonsense fluffing up his narrative is just due to him being raised by troglodytes
16:38  * adlai hasn't reread the prequel, it could be that there are hints there about the ancestry further back than the characters who actually appear in the trilogy
16:40 < adlai> iirc, all that is explicitly listed is that the paternal side are all the top mathemagicians, and the maternal side are the top intuitionists; modulo jargon.
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17:22 < kanzure> fenn: https://github.com/codelv/declaracad
17:33 < kanzure> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
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17:38 < kanzure> browser https://cretz.github.io/doogie/
17:41 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24494653
17:41 < saxo> Changes to Fusion 360 for Personal Use | Hacker News
17:57 < lsneff> What are the other options?
17:57 < lsneff> F360 is pretty nice
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18:33 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/19990423105543/http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/lethin/ecm
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18:58 < kanzure> https://github.com/sshuttle/sshuttle
18:59 < kanzure> cc jrayhawk^
19:05 < jrayhawk> their descriptions sure are bad; what is this doing that ssh -D plus a transparent socksifier like tsocks doesn't?
19:07 < jrayhawk> does it dynamically poll /proc/net/tcp{,6} for listening ports above >=1024 to forward or something?
19:17 < kanzure> presumably edits your local routes
19:17 < kanzure> i was trying to use ssh -D but only for certain traffic
19:21 < jrayhawk> oh, huh
19:25 < kanzure> specifically i wanted to send traffic to whatismyipaddress.com through a proxy that i had ssh access to
19:25 < kanzure> but only for that destination server
19:27 < jrayhawk> tsocks.conf does that with the "reaches" directive, FWIW
19:28 < jrayhawk> plus fallback = yes
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20:28 < lsneff> .t https://getamna.com/
20:28 < saxo> amna
20:30 < lsneff> "an information manager that helps get work done"
20:48 < lsneff> Just had a crazy idea: what if devices, by themselves, had a matrix handle, so you could interact with them directly.
20:50 < lsneff> Like sending files to a specific machine, sharing the screen, and it would have some sort of low level text interface through the matrix text channel.
20:55 < kanzure> why not use ssh
20:59 < lsneff> Sure, you could, but that implies direct shell access. Something a little higher level is more useful imo
20:59 < lsneff> For example, you could give your friends permissions to send files or stream a video or something.
21:01 < lsneff> Basically, I'm just disappointed that computers aren't good at sending structured data to each other, like files or video streams, without setting up specific software on each system.
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21:13 < jrayhawk> essentially every groupware company is trying to make that
21:14 < jrayhawk> discord and slack are largely already there
21:19 < jrayhawk> there are unfortunately a bunch of problems relating to costs involved in managing negative externalities that almost necessitate a centralized design
21:19 < lsneff> I'm aware, but, in my opinion, there should be a standardized way of doing it.
21:19 < lsneff> Or at least, the different standardized solutions should be able to interop with each other.
21:23 < jrayhawk> urbit was close, pgp was close, bitcoin was close, but none of them quite integrate together correctly to structure incentives
21:24 < jrayhawk> http://www.weboftrust.info/ i suspect these folks might build something useful
21:47 < lsneff> Now that you mention it, urbit is very interesting
21:49 < lsneff> Reading the docs for it make me feel like an xenoarchaeologist.
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23:12 < L29Ah> just had a crazy idea: what if devices, by themselves, required no software and no skills to operate them
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