--- Log opened Mon Oct 19 00:00:51 2020 00:08 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:15 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-56-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:24 -!- mrdata_ is now known as mrdata 01:41 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235185213.dynamic-4-waw-k-2-1-0.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:16 < archels> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the-desalination-era-is-here/ 02:56 < Llamamoe> kanzure: Huh, just found your github and site, pretty cool coincidence that I've already been idling in here for a few weeks :o You have some cool stuff attached to your name 03:02 < Llamamoe> I think this community is a pretty cool one, for when I'm actually a functional human being 03:41 < juri_> Llamamoe: no time like the present. :) 03:41 < Llamamoe> juri_: Nah, I'm fucked c.c Got a health problem I need to fix before even considering being a functional individual worth anything x.x 03:42 < Llamamoe> Presently I'm little more than a corpse 03:51 < juri_> Llamamoe: well, hang in there then. we're all trying to fix this, but being human gets in all of our ways. for now. :) 04:00 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:03 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:30 -!- sanehatter [sanehatter@gateway/vpn/mullvad/sanehatter] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oikuzitxtrnpzpta] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:49 < kanzure> "remote construction progress monitoring" https://www.reconstructinc.com/ 07:28 < lsneff> .t https://hai.stanford.edu/blog/national-research-cloud-ensuring-continuation-american-innovation 07:28 < saxo> National Research Cloud: Ensuring the Continuation of American Innovation 07:38 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oikuzitxtrnpzpta] has quit [] 08:05 < lsneff> I wonder if the rapid change and turn-over in computing is because programmers don't write research papers about their projects. 08:14 < Llamamoe> lsneff: What specifically do you refer to? Projects being abandoned and dying, or their innovations never being reused? 08:15 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zwukajqpwwcmopus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 < lsneff> Llamamoe: I phrased my statement poorly. I actually meant it the other way around. 08:18 < Llamamoe> Meow? 08:18 < Llamamoe> My confusion grows 08:18 < lsneff> There's a lot of advancement in computing, and a lot of that is because of research done at universities and research institutions, but a lot of it is just people working on their own. 08:19 < Llamamoe> Where do programmers not writing papers about their projects come in? :o 08:20 < lsneff> Like, linus didn't write a paper about linux. Fabrice Bellard didn't write one about qemu. 08:20 < lsneff> I'm not sure where I was really going with the argument. 08:21 < Llamamoe> lsneff: Hm. Well, I suppose if they did, those papers could have provided some overviews underlying the theory, rationale, and easier access to a context from which to reason about the project and possible future directions for both the project and subsequent works.. something like that? 08:25 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 -!- ShellcatZero [~ShellcatZ@97.122.190.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43 -!- ShellcatZero [~ShellcatZ@71-218-93-197.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 < L29Ah> do programmers even read papers on compsci? 08:48 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@31.14.40.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:48 -!- dr_orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@31.14.40.19] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 < Llamamoe> Compsci makes me think of math, and that makes me think of staying as far away as possible 09:38 < juri_> L29Ah: I read a lot of math papers. 09:42 < lsneff> I read lots of papers on rendering. 09:58 -!- ShellcatZero [~ShellcatZ@71-218-93-197.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05 < Llamamoe> I mostly read biochem, especially neuropsych papers, lately 10:05 -!- ShellcatZero [~ShellcatZ@97-122-181-145.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zwukajqpwwcmopus] has quit [] 10:15 -!- ShellcatZero1 [~ShellcatZ@97-122-183-228.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 -!- ShellcatZero [~ShellcatZ@97-122-181-145.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29 < nsh> programming is to computer science as thatching is to agriculture 10:59 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:59 < Llamamoe> Programming is to computer science what growing plants is to biochemistry 11:08 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 < lsneff> Kurzweil announced a new book, *The Singularity is Nearer*, in 2015 and it's gotten delayed several times. He'll have to rename it to *The Singularity is Next Monday* if he waits much longer haha 11:15 < juri_> 2042, right? ;) 11:21 < nsh> McKenna argued that if the singularity is a teleological attractor then it needn't be subject to a power scaling law and its proximity is in some sense constant 11:22 < nsh> or as someone said elsewhere earlier: it's always 2020, always has been 11:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 11:24 < nsh> otherwise stated, the counter- or rather transentropic forcing of the culmination state of evolution is perforce nonmetric in the linear entropic observer-dependent event sequencing that it counterposes 11:24 < nsh> i read that on the back of a cereal box 11:26 < nsh> .wik Löwenheim–Skolem theorem 11:26 < saxo> "In mathematical logic, the Löwenheim–Skolem theorem is a theorem on the existence and cardinality of models, named after Leopold Löwenheim and Thoralf Skolem. / The precise formulation is given below." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6wenheim%E2%80%93Skolem_theorem 11:26 < nsh> any theory [of causality] with countably infinite model has an uncountably infinite model, and vice-versa 11:28 < nsh> (model *with domain [un]countably finite) 11:30 < nsh> i love that with the www you can satisfy yourself almost every day that no matter how ridiculous a set of things you can constellate somewhere an academic philosopher has been more absurd on the matter http://www.homepages.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytbu/ButtonBiVMT.pdf 11:57 -!- ramko [~ramko@12.238.22.235] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:18 < fenn> nsh: we are still in the Black Iron Prison 12:19 * nsh nods 12:19 < nsh> Rome never fell 12:20 < nsh> or rather "The Empire never ended" i think it was 12:20 < fenn> etc., etc. 12:22 < fenn> oh, _noumenal_ vats 12:22 < fenn> that makes it perfectly clear :\ 12:23 -!- ramko [~ramko@12.238.22.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:24 < fenn> wow i didn't know about the word "smallworlder" 12:25 < fenn> sign me up! 12:27 -!- chico [~chico@2a02:2121:28e:993b:20ec:b438:2c3d:b085] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 < strages> fenn: I am not aware of this term. what is it 12:32 < fenn> it means you don't believe in the existence of uncountable sets 12:34 < fenn> the author of that terrible brains in vats paper alludes to the existence of a (hypothetical?) complete language with which to describe math and the universe, which presumably doesn't rely on infinities 12:38 < nsh> at which point i google "cosmological large cardinal" and derive more mirth 12:41 < nsh> in the sane corner: :(){ :|:& };: 12:41 < nsh> no, that was another thing 12:41 < nsh> .t https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/large-countable-ordinals-part-1/ 12:42 < saxo> Sorry, t took too long 12:42 < nsh> in the other corner: The Axiom of Infinity, Quantum Field Theory, Large Cardinals - http://pcorazza.lisco.com/papers/corazza_infinityQFTLarge.pdf 12:43 < nsh> abstract is basically what i was waffling about earlier but with extra steps^W^Wmore words 12:45 -!- saxo [~saxo@2001:19f0:6800:1102:5400:ff:fe11:39a1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45 -!- saxo [~saxo@2001:19f0:6800:1102:5400:ff:fe11:39a1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- chico [~chico@2a02:2121:28e:993b:20ec:b438:2c3d:b085] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235185213.dynamic-4-waw-k-2-1-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:09 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgrpcasyucgxutph] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxqktucqzqgteogs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:17 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxqktucqzqgteogs] has quit [] 15:38 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-56-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:48 < heath> https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/enzymatic-dna-synthesis-sees-the-light/ 15:49 < heath> paper linked at the bottom: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18681-5 16:05 < nmz787> heath: kanzure beat you to it 16:33 -!- pasky [~pasky@195.113.20.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- sanehatter [sanehatter@gateway/vpn/mullvad/sanehatter] has quit [Quit: quitting time] 18:27 < lsneff> .t https://deepmind.com/blog/article/FermiNet 18:27 < saxo> FermiNet: Quantum Physics and Chemistry from First Principles | DeepMind 18:27 < lsneff> Interesting research, but they also have quite a beautiful website. 18:29 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49 < docl> 00:36 < drmeister> Hello everyone. 18:49 < docl> 00:36 < drmeister> Check this out... 18:49 < docl> 00:36 < drmeister> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aZHAKXgA/image.png 18:49 < docl> 00:37 < drmeister> That represents one day of spiroligomer synthesis at ThirdLaw Molecular 18:49 < docl> 00:37 < drmeister> Those are different molecules made using our chemistry, approx the same amount of each. 18:49 < docl> 00:37 < drmeister> Note the 4th from the left and the 1st from the left - they are puffy - like aerogels. 18:49 < docl> 00:37 < drmeister> The sequence of the molecule defines how it behaves. 18:49 < docl> 00:38 < drmeister> It's programmable matter. 18:49 < docl> 00:38 < drmeister> Now - we need to model this with Cando - and for that we need Cando to run fast. 18:49 < docl> 00:39 < drmeister> Then we can design molecules that can do specific things. 18:49 < docl> 00:41 < drmeister> These and ~150 other molecules were synthesized in the last month using an application that I developed in Cando that designs the sequences and generates control files for the robotic synthesizers that made these molecules. It also generates a chemical formula database for each molecule that we use to assess how well each synthesis worked. 18:58 < lsneff> Ah, very exciting. 19:01 < lsneff> docl: channel? 19:01 < docl> :) 19:01 < docl> #clasp 19:06 < lsneff> The CBN nano technologies recruiter hasn't gotten back to me :( 19:28 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsooemojpopchvlp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgrpcasyucgxutph] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:33 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rvfqbwkdzpggfuig] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsooemojpopchvlp] has quit [] 21:57 < lsneff> I gotta find another hobby beside pining over this apm stuff. 22:00 < nmz787> apm? 22:43 -!- gimerry [51431697@81-67-22-151.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:51 -!- gimerry [51431697@81-67-22-151.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:53 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rvfqbwkdzpggfuig] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:57 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-56-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:16 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:31 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:49 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:58 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has quit [Quit: I'm out.] 23:58 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Oct 20 00:00:52 2020