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05:55 < lsneff> Found in the wild: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24893924
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07:44 < kanzure> .title
07:44 < saxo> Take a look at Connection Machine Lisp (http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot... | Hacker News
07:44 < kanzure> RIP paperbot
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07:48 < Llamamoe> Out of curiosity might there be anyone in here who's familiar with stuff like CPAPs, ventilators, and other such respiratory things, what with that being a hot topic due to COVID ?
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07:49 < kanzure> that would be superkuh
07:50 < Llamamoe> Huh, nice.
08:31 < docl> Here's an older hn thread (different pdf) on connection machine lisp: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281637
09:08 < jrayhawk> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764?via%3Dihub there are easier ways to avoid COVID pneumonia
09:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: does it involve bathing in cholecalciferol
09:36 < kanzure> oh look, it does, cool
09:41 < Llamamoe> jrayhawk: It's not about COVID
09:42 < Llamamoe> I've been thinking a bit about the viability of adapting the bubble cpap design to creating a simple PAP machine for sleep disordered breathing(apnea, UARS)
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09:43 < Llamamoe> There's an improvised CPAP design for sleep apnea published in literature, that could probably be adapted to a Bilevel CPAP or better an Adaptive-servo ventilation
09:43 < Llamamoe> But it requires a lot of individual components and knowledge of electronics
09:44 < Llamamoe> Whereas the bubble CPAP - and a minor modification to make it bilevel, do not, at all
09:44 < Llamamoe> Being extremely simple devices in which the only thing that needs electricity is an air blower, a humidifier, and whatever sensors you might want to put on it just in case
09:45 < Llamamoe> It's just pure curiosity on my part though, not a project I'd be starting anytime soon
09:48 < lsneff> I've thought about this too. I don't sleep particularly well and have wondered whether I have sleep apnea.
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09:51 < Llamamoe> If you are considering testing, make absolutely sure they also score RERAs and diagnose UARS
09:52 < Llamamoe> There is no proper prevalence data, but it's not an obscure condition, very possibly it's close to as common as sleep apnea
09:52 < Llamamoe> But extremely few sleep clinics actually diagnose it
09:53 < Llamamoe> Even if you have brutally obvious apnea, it's best to ensure that because CPAP treatment can actually induce RERAs so you trade apnea for UARS
09:53 < Llamamoe> Unfortunately bilevel CPAPs that are the minimum required to treat UARS are pricey as shit.
09:54 < Llamamoe> Fortunately, there's a project that allows jailbreaking ResMed AirSense devices with software from the high end Bilevel and VAuto models
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09:58 < Llamamoe> In fact in the USA(not where I live), it's a bizarre situation where minimizing symptoms of UARS is part of criteria for management of Sleep Apnea, but they still don't constitute diagnosis on their own
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10:54 < lsneff> Llamamoe: Thanks for the information
10:55 < lsneff> Unrelated: looks like fastly just hired basically the whole wasmtime and cranelift team from mozilla.
10:55 < Llamamoe> NP.
10:55 < Llamamoe> One of these days I'll do an infographic on UARS and Sleep Apnea
10:55 < lsneff> That would be great
10:55 < Llamamoe> But it won't be until I treat my own case of UARS
10:56 < Llamamoe> Because I'm 100% dysfunctional and useless :-)
10:56 < lsneff> That bad?
10:57 < Llamamoe> I had a worse case of ADHD than anyone else I've met all my life, and the past 10 years during which I've become progressively more dysfunctional and mentally ill have not been kind to me
10:57 < Llamamoe> I'll need to not just treat the UARS, but probably also do a lot of other neurochem tinkering and therapy
10:59 < Llamamoe> A neurotrophic, a psychedelic, an empathogen, exogenous ketones, creatine, are things I'll probably for sure want to try. A neurotrophic for reversing gray matter atrophy and neuroplasticity-dependent symptoms, a psychedelic for behavioral flexibility, an empathogen for self-acceptance, exogenous ketones for ADHD, creatine for general small boost to brain energy metabolism
10:59 < Llamamoe> That's the minimum list of what I'll be trying
11:00 < Llamamoe> I've got dozens of other substances of interest, but they're either stuff I've not yet looked into, less guaranteed to be void of side effects, or both
11:01 < Llamamoe> Really, the world of neurochem is fascinating
11:05 < lsneff> Good luck! It really is interesting. I haven't really tried any nootropics, worried I'll screw myself up
11:06 < Llamamoe> Responsible, lsneff. I've actually started learning neurochem proper, and the single biggest insight it's given me is "what the fuck are all those people doing to their CNS"
11:06 < Llamamoe> I've got some insights into a lot of potentially perfectly safe therapeutic approaches though
11:06 < Llamamoe> And some general cognitive enhancement stuff
11:06 < Llamamoe> But the list is not long
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11:06 < Llamamoe> And it'd be almost wholly alien to the average nootropics dude
11:09 < lsneff> > potentially perfectly safe
11:09 < lsneff> :P
11:09 < lsneff> I'll ask you about this stuff at some point, if you don't mind
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11:10 < Llamamoe> lsneff: Unfortunately, at this point into cognitive impairment, I'm literally incapable of organizing information in my mind, so that might be a tough try
11:12 < Llamamoe> lsneff: Tbh, I'd say: If you want perfectly safe, start with creatine. People think of bodybuilding when they think of creatine, but the brain is just as energy-hungry, a process which creatine aids. It won't be a huge boost, but
11:13 < Llamamoe> It's always good for your brain to have slightly better access to energy
11:14 < lsneff> I'll look into that.
11:57 < nmz787> Llamamoe: sounds like all you need to try is psilocybin
11:57 < nmz787> it offers basically all of the effects you're after, in one (unofficially) GRAS compound
11:57 < Llamamoe> nmz787: It's an important part of my self-treatment algorithm, but far from the only
11:58 < Llamamoe> nmz787: It seems like it does yes, but the CNS is complex, and HOW an effect is mediated makes far more difference than in other aspects
11:58 < nmz787> unfortunately, you probably should have done it 10+ years ago
11:58 < nmz787> (just because of amortization of benefits)
11:59 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Hmm? Explain.
12:02 < nmz787> umm, it works very well, and probably would have re-set a lot of things before they got, as you said, "become progressively  more dysfunctional and mentally ill"
12:02 < nmz787> just my 2 cents...
12:03 < Llamamoe> nmz787: I have it on strong authority that the kind of shit that I'm suffering happens to a LOT of sleep disordered breathing people, almost inevitably, and typically reverses with treatment
12:03 < Llamamoe> Most of it at least. Some cognitive impairments stay, sadly.
12:03 < Llamamoe> I can't remember if it's attention or memory that recovers way less
12:04 < Llamamoe> I think memory
12:04 < nmz787> oh, idk about breathing
12:04 < nmz787> it's all connected, so maybe possibly could be positively affected
12:04 < nmz787> the brain is super malleable when allowed to be more plastic than normal
12:05 < Llamamoe> It's super malleable anyway :P Though not in every way
12:05 < Llamamoe> Anyway
12:05 < Llamamoe> I've spent the past 10mo or so reading a lot of neurochem and neuroscience material. I might be pretty severely impaired in efficiency, but my list of very plausible treatments is LONG
12:05 < nmz787> with all the "advances" we find every few years, I don't doubt that it'd be possible to overcome some deficient neural pathway with some workaround... unless it's like something obviously broken like a bad protein receptor that has no other viable alternatives
12:06 < nmz787> but you're living, so you're not dead, which means workarounds are likely possible (in my opinion)
12:06 < nmz787> I'm much more confident in something like psilocybin than anything "modern"
12:07 < nmz787> which is why I'll be voting to legalize here, this election
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12:07 < Llamamoe> Psilocybin is the exception, not the rule, nmz787
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12:07 < Llamamoe> The pharmaceutical industry has a fuckton of issues on every level, but there's a lot of extremely solid science nowadays
12:08 < nmz787> eh, idk, it seems more like a rule in my book ;
12:08 < nmz787> )
12:08 < lsneff> I've wanted to try microdosing psilocybin, but not sure how to get it here.
12:08 < nmz787> grow it?
12:09 < lsneff> Ah, yes that could work
12:09  * nmz787 does not endorse or condone the aforementioned activity
12:09 < lsneff> Of course
12:09 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Don't be overconfident here, psychoactive phyto/mycochems are ultimately stuff plants evolved mainly to disrupt and disable pests, usually there's a whole slew of chems from across a metabolic pathway, and the plant has no evolutionary drive towards selectivity of action
12:09 < Llamamoe> lsneff: In a lot of places, mushroom spores or complete growkits are legal to order
12:10 < Llamamoe> lsneff: Psilocybin-containing shrooms are also reasonably common in many places in the world
12:11 < Llamamoe> Also, there's numerous research chemicals that are psilocin/psilocybin analogues or prodrugs that are legal which tend to be essentially the exact same stuff in activity
12:12 < nmz787> Llamamoe: you won't know until you try, and aside from governmental agencies and naysayers, are largely touted as a panacea
12:12 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Psilocybin? It's really not a panacea. It's a tool in the toolkit.
12:12 < Llamamoe> Everything is.
12:13 < Llamamoe> Don't get soured by the fact that virtually every psychiatric drug is garbage
12:13 < nmz787> it sounds like you haven't tried it, so I'll just stop here
12:13 < Llamamoe> It doesn't mean science doesn't have truly genuine insights
12:13 < Llamamoe> nmz787: I told you, it's a big part of my treatment plan, but it's not the sole element of it
12:15 < Llamamoe> I want non-psychedelic neurogenesis first, because stress modulation is dependent on neuroplasticity and subsequently hippocampal function and volume
12:15 < Llamamoe> Treating the SDB is also critical for neuroplasticity to fully function, as sleep is a *critical* part of half its processes
12:16 < nmz787> SDB?
12:16 < Llamamoe> Sleep Disordered Breathing
12:16 < nmz787> IMO "good" psychedelics are incredible effective as briging on neuroplasticity
12:16 < Llamamoe> Sleep Apnea and its less-known but almost-as-bad cousin UARS.
12:17 < nmz787> so I can't quite parse what you're saying
12:17 < nmz787> are you a reasonable "healthy" weight?
12:17 < nmz787> have you removed potential allergens from your diet? (i.e. grains)
12:17 < nmz787> swapping grains for potatoes is an easy action
12:17 < nmz787> (or just white rice)
12:18 < Llamamoe> nmz787: 1) Psychedelic experiences can go bad, which is why you want to ensure general brain health first, 2) Sleep is critical to mood and neuroplasticity both, and without healthy-ish sleep, it's not AS good of an option
12:18 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Grains aren't usually allergenic, grain intolerance involves different mechanisms
12:18 < nmz787> lol
12:19 < Llamamoe> But yes, I have eliminated grains after gradually developing intolerance, then reintroduced them, and now the issue flared up again, so I'll probably knock them out of my diet for good
12:19 < nmz787> riding a bike can go bad too... doesn't mean you won't learn something
12:19 < Llamamoe> Allergy and food intolerance testing(including elimination for what's not covered by the testing) is also part of my treatment algorithm
12:20 < nmz787> but yeah, sorry, I don't know much about sleep breathing troubles aside from being fat/unhealthy or taking too many opiates
12:20 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Please just stop. I know what I'm talking about. Yes sure there likely would be benefit, but it would be vastly impaired by poor sleep, and has more risk of being traumatizing due to overarching mental health than I would ideally like.
12:20 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Honestly even very innocuous airway anatomy issues can cause UARS or apnea
12:22 < Llamamoe> Allergies, enlarged turbinates, narrow nostrils, uneven nostrils, retracted/small/misaligned jaw, obesity, tongue that doesn't touch the palate in resting position, genetic predisposition, sleeping position.... all factors
12:23 < Llamamoe> SDB is very common in mental health patients, and I strongly suspect it might be one of the major causes of treatment resistance
12:25 < Llamamoe> I also suspect it might be among the most common causes of ADHD
12:25 < nmz787> are you actually hyper?
12:25 < nmz787> or do you mean ADD?
12:26 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Hyperactivity is how it manifests... pretty much only in children.
12:26 < Llamamoe> ADHD is in fact a very unfortunate name
12:27 < Llamamoe> In fact, formal definitions and criteria of ADHD are kind of bad overall
12:28 < nmz787> I was always diagnosed with ADD, not ADHD
12:28 < nmz787> even as a 7 year old
12:28 < nmz787> I never had hyperactivity traits
12:29 < Llamamoe> Since it implicates the executive functions in general, including not just attention but also memory, emotional regulation, behavioral flexibility, planning, time perception, bla bla
12:29 < Llamamoe> I suspect that ADHD actually is multiple very similar but separate disorders
12:30 < Llamamoe> ADHD-I, ADHD-H, ADHD-C are formally recognized distinctions based on predominance of inattention, hyperactivity, or both being very present
12:30 < Llamamoe> But there's numerous possible etiologies
12:31 < Llamamoe> Chronic fatigue due to SDB is one of them, there's etiologies implicating energy metabolism similarly to autism, there's genetic predisposition, and more... most of it dependent on environmental factors
12:32 < Llamamoe> And the genetic etiologies are insanely broad too
12:33 < Llamamoe> But it's typically treated as a single disorder, ugh.
12:34 < Llamamoe> Same with depression, it's so insanely heterogenous :F Everything is
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12:36 < Llamamoe> Mental healthcare is in general not where it needs to be. The medications are bad, the awareness of non-psychiatric root causes is low, CBT is a suboptimal type of therapy, argh
12:42 < Llamamoe> Gonna log off for now, bai
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13:26 < kanzure> ~.
13:26 < kanzure> hmph
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15:19 < lsneff> .t https://github.com/GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow
15:19 < saxo> GitHub - GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow: Scots Army Knife for electronics
15:20 < lsneff> What do you know, solvespace is mostly written by the same human
15:20 < lsneff> .t https://github.com/solvespace/solvespace
15:20 < saxo> GitHub - solvespace/solvespace: Parametric 2d/3d CAD
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16:57 < kanzure> https://wiki.mhut.org/software:libgen_desktop
16:58 < kanzure> libgen has added links to ipfs gateways for each book http://library.lol/main/38E0EE9C67622501706B182500B339C5
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17:02 < kanzure> golden_ticket_: hi
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17:04 < kanzure> calibre seems to be broken without this patch https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/commit/7b6416ac6522fc40f24f6baf3ca552b17a8b91d6
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17:38 < golden_ticket_> kanzure, hi. What's up?
17:40 < lsneff> kanzure: interesting choice of book there
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18:16 < kanzure> lsneff: yeah i thought about which one to choose for the link for a few seconds
18:31 < lsneff> kanzure: Good choice
18:32 < lsneff> Putting together a new website for myself: https://www.notoph.org/
18:32 < fenn> 403 Forbidden cloudflare
18:32 < lsneff> You block cloudflare?
18:32 < fenn> no, cloudflare blocks me
18:32 < lsneff> Well, the service I'm using uses cloudflare as a cdn, nothing I can do about it
18:33 < lsneff> How did you accomplish that?
18:33 < fenn> i dared to use a browser that is not chrome
18:33 < L29Ah> consider not using cloudflare-dependent services
18:34 < superkuh> I hate to pile on, but do you need a cdn?
18:34 < L29Ah> i'm wondering why would you do it for a static homepage
18:34 < lsneff> I def don't, but I was tired of having to set up networking stuff on azure, so I just switched to digital ocean which makes the static site thing very easy
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18:47 < Sir_Alexei> I think I remember reading that quite a few Digital Ocean IP's were blocked
18:47 < lsneff> Arghhh, I'll switch providers
18:50 < L29Ah> i'm pretty sure DO VPS don't empose any requirements on using cloudflare or shit
18:50 < Sir_Alexei> I know pretty much nothing about computer techy stuff, but I do remember using a VPN and being blocked from a website due to the IP address. I looked it up, and it was Digital Ocean.
18:50 < fenn> cloudflare uses "is not running javascript" as shorthand for "is an evil robot"
18:50 < L29Ah> yup
18:52 < lsneff> Yeah, i'm not using a do vps, wanted to get away from having to manage a vps just to host a static site, but oh well, I'll move stuff back to my azure vps probably
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19:27 < lsneff> Alright, got rid of cloudflare: https://notoph.org/
19:28 < superkuh> Enable HTTP too instead of a 304 redirect?
19:29 < superkuh> Oh, 301 in this case.
19:29 < lsneff> Nah, I'd prefer to only allow https
19:46 < fenn> it works!
19:46 < lsneff> Yay!
19:47 < fenn> what does "notoph" mean?
19:47 < lsneff> it's the phonetic reversal of photon, just thing it sounds cool
19:48 < lsneff> s/thing/think
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