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00:29 < jrayhawk> prague had delivery pod tunnels through the 1990s
00:30 < jrayhawk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_pneumatic_post best retrofuturist city
00:36 < jrayhawk> "prefab housing"? manufactured homes have been common for many decades
00:39 < jrayhawk> actually a lot of this list was available in the 1990s
00:56 < fenn> sure, and they had aluminum in the 1880s
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01:39 < fenn> the point is, if someone had just believed a little harder that we can have nice things, instead of them being like the aluminum capstone to the washington monument, all these things could have been as cheap and ubiquitous as an aluminum beer can
01:41 < fenn> it's hard to even predict what the multiplicative effects would have been
01:44 < fenn> all of these things existed as tiny proofs of concept in the 1990s
01:46 < fenn> and for the most part haven't been touched since
02:02 < L29Ah> > - functional programming
02:02 < L29Ah> > - helium conservation
02:02 < L29Ah> wat
02:02 < L29Ah> > - banning tylenol
02:02 < L29Ah> WAT
02:41 < nmz787> fenn: in real estate prefab homes are called
02:41 < nmz787> "mobile" or "trailers" or "double wide" or "triple wide"
02:42 < nmz787> or simply "manufactured"
02:42 < nmz787> I've only seen the latter in the actual legal sections
02:43 < nmz787> latter/last
02:43 < nmz787> .itlte https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3893655/
02:44 < nmz787> title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3893655/
02:44 < nmz787> .title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3893655/
02:44 < saxo> Three-dimensional micro/nano-scale structure fabricated by combination of non-volatile polymerizable RTIL and FIB irradiation
02:45 < nmz787> and this one: https://sci-hub.do/https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.langmuir.9b00759?rand=3krkjk43
02:45 < nmz787> Electron Beam Patterning of Polymerizable Ionic Liquid Films for Application in Photonics
02:45 < nmz787> the first used to good success 1-Allyl-3-ethylimidazolium bis((trifluoromethane)sulfonyl)amide ([AllylEtIm][Tf2N])
02:46 < nmz787> which is apparently unavailable from the original named supplier kanto chemical
02:46 < nmz787> or anyone else
02:46 < nmz787> but that second paper used https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/43961?lang=en&region=US
02:46 < nmz787> $92/5g
02:46 < nmz787> $345/50g
02:47 < L29Ah> check out how much sigma asks for hexane and stop using it as a price reference
02:47 < nmz787> I'm lazy
02:47 < nmz787> they /are/ /a/ reference
02:47 < nmz787> personally I don't think it's a bad price
02:47 < nmz787> (Second paper used: 1-Allyl-3-methylimidazolium chloride
02:48 < nmz787> 5 grams sounds like it could probably coat a football field or something in a spin-coat layer height
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04:28 < fenn> i know what a factory made double-wide home is, and it's not what i'm talking about
04:28 < jrayhawk> okay, what is prefab housing if not manufactured homes
04:28 < fenn> i'm talking about a flat pack bolt-together set of interchangeable parts that are fully finished
04:29 < jrayhawk> and i suppose a generation of programmers growing up on elisp is also not functional programming by some similarly ridiculous proscriptive definition?
04:29 < fenn> there would be special modules for bathroom, kitchen, and utility room
04:30 < fenn> functional programming has always been relegated to a ghetto
05:10 < L29Ah> 15:28:58]<fenn> i'm talking about a flat pack bolt-together set of interchangeable parts that are fully finished
05:10 < L29Ah> widely deployed in USSR in the last 60 years or so
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06:43 < Urchin[emacs]> Emacs is more of a refugee camp
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08:10 < lsneff> .wik stuxnet
08:10 < saxo> "Stuxnet is a malicious computer worm, first uncovered in 2010, thought to have been in development since at least 2005. Stuxnet targets supervisory control and data acquisition (SCADA) systems and is believed to be responsible for causing substantial damage to the nuclear [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
08:19 < lsneff> .t https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-50-year-old-grand-challenge-in-biology
08:19 < saxo> AlphaFold: a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology | DeepMind
08:26 < lsneff> Once it's available, it might be pretty easy to start searching for structural proteins suitable for early stage nanotech.
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09:37 < kanzure> "Revault: a mlti-party bitcoin vault architecture" https://github.com/re-vault/practical-revault/blob/master/revault.pdf
10:31 < kanzure> are we doing a lunar landing today..?
10:33 < L29Ah> personally i don't
10:40 < superkuh> I didn't catch it at the time but sci-hub's TLS certs were revoked by Comodo under legal pressure in 2018.
10:40 < superkuh> This is the wave of the future.
10:41 < superkuh> As things go TLS only with the intention of being private they will expose themselves to external control.
10:41 < kanzure> fenn: well, thiel has been ranting about the great stagnation (although not by name) for quite a while.
10:43 < kanzure> superkuh: they can still use their tor hidden server's key right?
10:43 < kanzure> and it's in their .onion domain so just pasting that around should be good enough to disseminate that information
10:44 < superkuh> Sure. sci-hub has a userbase willing to work.
10:44 < superkuh> Won't be long before mainstream browsers lock out HTTP as 'insecure' though. I give it 3 years.
10:49 < ptrcmd> by locking out HTTP, you mean mainstream browsers would require user to add security exceptions and such?
10:50 < superkuh> I doubt they'd allow it unless you ran the "Developer" edition.
10:50 < superkuh> The user is the enemy to be protected from themselves.
10:53  * lsneff thinks that's unlikely
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