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00:37 < TMA> Now I wonder, how the legal fiction and jurisdiction boundaries work in fiction in the United States of A. Originally (non-united) states were concerned only with their own territory -- they did not attempt to enforce their laws outside of the territory they were able to defend with their army.
00:39 < fenn> congress has the power "to regulate interstate commerce" which has been extended through a series of mind-breaking rationalizations to cover just about anything
00:40 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
00:40 < TMA> The last one today is Panama, IIRC -- no taxes on foreign income for their persons (physical or legal). Other states adopted "our laws for everyone in our territory and for every citizen-person everywhere"
00:40 < fenn> i don't think that is correct
00:41 < fenn> for USA you have to pay taxes on income earned overseas, but US laws don't apply?
00:42 < fenn> "Federal laws apply to people living in the United States and its territories" according to usa.gov
00:42 < TMA> but if I recall correctly there is no citizenship of say the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania distinct from the citizenship of the United States of America as a whole
00:43 < fenn> it is possible but not practiced
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00:43 < TMA> so, can Pennsylvania enforce its laws against an Oregonese breaking Pennsylvania laws in Texas?
00:43 < fenn> i'm sure there's some federalist paper about it
00:45 < fenn> the "in texas" part gets complicated with the internet
00:46 < fenn> generally jursdiction belongs to the state where the crime was committed
00:46 < fenn> but federal laws apply to interstate crimes
00:47 < fenn> i've never heard of something like the scenario you are imagining though
00:47 < fenn> it would effectively devolve power to the federal government, and the states wouldn't have liked that
00:47 < TMA> fenn: the quotation from usa.gov is missleading af. laws against corruption applies to foreign subsidiaries and even foreign employees of that subsidiaries everywhere
00:47 < fenn> please elaborate
00:56 < fenn> "In 1970, Arizonan lawyer Russel T. Tansie filed a suit against God on behalf of his secretary, Betty Penrose, seeking $100,000 in damages. Penrose blamed God for his "negligence", allowing a lightning bolt to strike her house. When God "failed to turn up in court", Penrose won the case by default."
00:56 < TMA> when I was employed with a local subsidiary of Hewlett Packard, there was a training saying that failure to comply might result in criminal charges in the USA. maybe that was just a FUD spreading
00:57 < fenn> oh was this a money laundering or counterfeit money thing?
00:57 < fenn> i think there are a variety of international agreements
00:57 < TMA> no that was the regulation on "facilitation payments" and such -- bribery
01:00 < fenn> i doubt the US would care if european A bribed european B
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01:09 < TMA> the scenario is european A bribed european B
01:09 < TMA> the scenario is european A bribed european B on behalf of european company C owned by european company I owned by american company U
01:11 < fenn> i think what matters is where the crime occurred
01:11 < fenn> so do yur bribery on a cruise ship with a somali flag of convenience
01:12 < Urchin[emacs]> doesn't count unless in international waters
01:12 < fenn> also i am not a lawyer
01:20 < nmz787> https://sci-hub.do/10.1109/JPHOT.2019.2932262
01:20 < nmz787>  Feasibility of Cascadable Plasmonic Full Adder
04:35 < nsh> uwot
04:42 < nsh> using quantum phenomena as a computational substrate to do hellenistic arithmetic on boolean classically distinct 0/1 states is peverse imho. like using a star-trek replicator as a paperweight
04:42 < nsh> oh well, it's something to do though i guess
04:48 < nsh> actually carrying is more interesting than one might think: https://cyber.sci-hub.st/MTAuMjMwNy8zMDcyMzY4/isaksen2002.pdf#view=FitH
04:50 < nsh> but it's a good rule of thumb to think of a classical state as the dead fossil of a quantum process and try to actually use the 'living' properties of superposition of multiple pathways as much as possible, ideally until the output register
04:50 < nsh> like humour it does not in general survive dissection
04:51 < nsh> even spintronics as a way to do classical computing faster or with lower heat dissipation is profoundly to miss the point
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05:36 < fenn> it would help to have a basic kindergarten level understanding of quantum superposition and how such a thing behaves when poked with a stick
05:38 < fenn> it's like you're explaining how we shouldn't use unicorns as draft horses
05:39 < fenn> i mean, i can't _prove_ that unicorns don't exist, but i've never seen one
05:54 < Llamamoe> fenn: Depending on how pedantic you get, *nothing* can be proven, as ultimately even your judgment of what makes something "proven" is subjective, no matter how many other smart people out there agree with it.
05:55 < fenn> solomonoff induction seems like a good start
05:56 < Llamamoe> Sure does, but your judgment of it as such is still subjective. Anyway I'm just being a big pedant here myself
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07:20 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=da8c155b Michael Folkson: Add edits to Pieter on bech32 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2017-03-29-new-address-type-for-segwit-addresses/
07:20 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4a33a349 Michael Folkson: Merge pull request #187 from michaelfolkson/bech32-edits >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/
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10:06 < apotheon> "objective" is debatable because of the whole "brain in a jar" idea, other than perhaps pure reason
10:06 < apotheon> . . . but pure reason is almost useless in and of itself.
10:06 < apotheon> Those areas where it's of value, though, it has tremendous value.  It's just difficult to nail them down.
10:07 < apotheon> (re: the subjectivity of judgement and proof)
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11:51 < kanzure> why'd you scrub my launch
11:51 < kanzure> i want to see starship launch
11:55 < lsneff> another scrub?
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13:01 < kanzure> not yet
13:04 < lsneff> Looks like there is now
13:07 < lsneff> oh, they're trying again
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14:56 < lsneff> so close!
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