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00:03 < fenn> .tw http://twitter.com/HumanoidHistory/status/1331494661937123328
00:03 < saxo> Robert McCall's EPCOT mural "The Prologue and the Promise," 1982. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnprT8FXYAA93rH.jpg (@HumanoidHistory)
00:04 < fenn> full size https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnprT8FXYAA93rH.jpg:orig
00:09 < fenn> “The future is bright and filled with promise for us all. And the human spirit driven as it is, with an insatiable desire to know, to explore, and to understand will continue forever to reach up ward and outward.”
00:09 < fenn> “I am living the future that I dreamed about when I was a young boy, and for me it is just as bright and wonderful as I imagined it would be. Many of the paintings in this collection are my current graphic thoughts about tomorrow."
00:10 < fenn> robert mccall born 1919 died 2010
00:13 < archels> https://longbets.org/9/ "bioterror or bioerror" heh
00:16 < archels> fenn: neat
00:17 < fenn> he did a lot of concept art for 2001: a space odyssey
00:18 < fenn> http://www.mccallstudios.com/2001-a-space-odyssey/
00:28 < fenn> slightly better version of the epcot mural (14MB) http://imagineeringdisney.squarespace.com/storage/HORIZONS-MURAL-Rober-McCall.jpg
00:31 < fenn> "Hope alone is worthless... if you think Walt and McCall and O'Neill worked on things that were truly important and that still are important than don't just wish... work on it yourself. Like they did. They were just people like you and me who simply refused to stop believing."
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01:53 < fenn> .tw https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1336849897987796992
01:53 < saxo> Starship landing flip maneuver https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1336848931783786497/pu/vid/480x270/i-ReYzGJYnhPW6dP.mp4?tag=10 (@SpaceX)
01:54 < fenn> except not the low rez version linked by saxo
01:54 < fenn> youtube-dl gets the full rez
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01:56 < fenn> in case you're wondering, the exhaust is green because the engine is failing, and the engine is failing because the fuel tank pressure went too low
02:33 < fenn> here's the full spacex starship SN8 launch video https://youtu.be/ap-BkkrRg-o?t=1h47m
02:45 < jrayhawk> coooooool
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04:13 < faceface> https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1038/s43587-020-00003-5
04:14 < faceface> https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-020-00003-5
04:14  * faceface waits for a bot to fill in the title and abstract...
04:15 < faceface> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2975-4 <- probably you already saw
04:40 < fenn> .title
04:40 < saxo> Reprogramming to recover youthful epigenetic information and restore vision | Nature
04:40 < fenn> .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-020-00003-5
04:40 < saxo> Individualized prognosis of cognitive decline and dementia in mild cognitive impairment based on plasma biomarker combinations | Nature Aging
04:41 < fenn> .title https://doi.org/10.1038/s43587-020-00003-5
04:41 < saxo> Individualized prognosis of cognitive decline and dementia in mild cognitive impairment based on plasma biomarker combinations | Nature Aging
04:43 < faceface> Thanks fenn
04:45 < fenn> beep boop
04:45 < faceface> good bot
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10:31 < nmz787> I have a buddy who's gonna try DIY PRP injection to combat hair loss
10:31 < nmz787> .g prp injection hair loss
10:31 < saxo> https://www.healthline.com/health/prp-for-hair-loss
10:32 < nmz787> .g plasma prp
10:32 < saxo> https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp
10:32 < nmz787> .wik plasma prp
10:32 < saxo> "Platelet-rich plasma (PRP), also known as autologous conditioned plasma, is a concentrate of platelet-rich plasma protein derived from whole blood, centrifuged to remove red blood cells." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelet-rich_plasma#:~:text=Platelet-rich%20plasma%20%28PRP%29%2C%20also%20known%20as%20autologous%20conditioned,Evidence%20for%20benefit%20is%20poor%20as%20of%202016.
10:32 < nmz787> and here's some music
10:32 < nmz787> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQWWOZPTyOw
10:32 < saxo> Overworld Theme - Super Mario Bros 2 - 10 Hours Extended Music - YouTube
10:59 < kanzure> not bad, not bad
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11:18 < lsneff> nmz787: I've heard the benefits of prp are largely due to the microneedling that is required to perform it.
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16:41 < kanzure> https://www.courthousenews.com/study-finds-global-hostility-to-gene-editing-particularly-among-christians/
16:45 < apotheon> I suppose I should read that article to see if it says anything interesting about other religious persuasions.
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18:10 < kanzure> "braille n' speak" https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor/updates/whats-the-value-of-hackable-hardware-anyway
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20:43 < fltrz> so, nerves come from and go to the cochlea, for inner hair cells and motor hair cells. can we create a cheap BCI by measuring otoacoustic emissions and playing sound?
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20:59 < fltrz> kanzure, not sure how the mind of a christian works, but perhaps something like "invalidates concept of sin of birth" or "don't waste your seeds, editing a seed genome is essentially a loss of the original genome" etc
21:01 < fltrz> "gene editing" can mean many things, kanzure, are you opposed to <vague activity>? are you opposed to currency? if not, then not even against paying mercenaries with currency?
21:01 < fltrz> a non-delineated set of activities is worthless polling peoples opinion about
21:03 < fltrz> unless the goal is JND'ing some ultimate activity into acceptance
21:03 < fltrz> which is an activity I vehemently opposee
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23:21 < apotheon> fltrz: I haven't had a chance to read the article yet, so I'm hesitant to say much, but I'd think the Christian anti-editing reaction would be about "playing god".
23:23 < fltrz> the scientific equivalent would be "playing objective fitness function"
23:24 < apotheon> The average Christian would probably not even be familiar with that term.
23:24 < apotheon> The average non-Christian, too, for that matter.
23:25 < fltrz> "playing God" means approximately "playing as if you know what is good or bad", which is kind of right in the scientific sense
23:26 < apotheon> Yeah.
23:26 < apotheon> I just realized it's past midnight.
23:26 < apotheon> g'night
23:26 < fltrz> they might not know our keywords and terminology, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand what they complain about
23:30 < fltrz> otherwise every vice or abuse can be "justified", by making in-group keywords and jargon (a gang of rapists shouldn't be excused because he uses some belief system in which rape is just called "grinding" or whatever, "no no! we didn't rape the victim, we just grinded the person")
23:32 < fltrz> "the first time its a tragedy, from then on a farce" shouldn't be circumvented by pretending each successive event was of some new type
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