--- Log opened Fri Dec 25 00:00:42 2020
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00:00 < fenn> "a child trying to reach Santa on a hotline number provided in a Sears advertisement misdialled the number and instead reached Shoup at his desk at CONAD."
00:01 < fenn>  "CONAD, Army, Navy, and Marine Air Forces will continue to track and guard Santa and his sleigh on his trip to and from the U.S. against possible attack from those who do not believe in Christmas."
00:03 < lsneff> huh, that's a little aggressive, no?
00:08 < apotheon> It's rather sad that I'm on a computer that can't handle PDFs right now.
00:13 < lsneff> got a brand new pdp-11 as a gift, eh?
00:15 < apotheon> No, I have OpenBSD on a 32b ThinkPad X60, which means not enough system resources for me to bother trying to compile ports and evidently no precompiled binary packages for PDFs.
00:16 < apotheon> I also can't be arsed to cross-compile ports for it.
00:16 < apotheon> It's just almost a thin client for a console based IRC client running on a different system.
00:16 < L29Ah> i'm pretty sure that mupdf will build in <30mins on it
00:17 < apotheon> Yeah, but . . . meh.  I'd have to get ports set up, too, because I didn't get the ports tree in here when installing due to a desire to save space and time.
00:17 < apotheon> "It's worse than that, sir.  This threatens all of reality.  We must save space and time."
00:18 < apotheon> Anyway . . . it means any PDFs I read will have to wait for tomorrow, because it's too close to bedtime to bother.
00:18 < apotheon> g'night
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11:18 < kanzure> https://www.lifespan.io/news/biohackers-perform-first-plasma-dilution-experiment-on-humans/
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13:53 < fenn> Breaking: biohackers donate blood at blood donation clinic
14:15 < nmz787> fenn: not meaning to sound cranky, just setting some sort of obvious upper limit
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15:52 < nmz787> fenn: where are your 1/500 for age 40s stats coming from?
15:52 < nmz787> CDC seems to show only like 8000 people under 45 have died
15:56 < fenn> dunno, that's the data as given. the data sources i found lump together 18-49
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16:05 < L29Ah> good news
16:06 < L29Ah> omg what a shitty article
16:06 < L29Ah> 0 info on the actual protocol they employed
16:07 < L29Ah> > We have a lot of interesting results, but the procedure only works if you replace at least 50% of the plasma. So, if you weigh 70 kilos, you need to do it at least twice, 700 ml of plasma each time, and inject around 70 mg of 20% albumin solution. Here, I just told you the whole thing.
16:07 < L29Ah> i guess
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16:21 < izen> hi
16:24 < izen> is anyone awake?
16:24 < superkuh> Are you? This could just be a dream.
16:25 < izen> Sometimes I am not sure
16:25 < superkuh> Well, regardless, hello.
16:25 < izen> Hello
16:26 < izen> Superkuh
16:26 < izen> I want free email addresses
16:26 < superkuh> I don't think you are in the correct channel for that.
16:26 < izen> But anonymous, can you advise me?
16:27 < izen> Is this a conspiracy channel?
16:27 < superkuh> No. See the topic.
16:28 < izen> ok what is biohacking?
16:28 < izen> superkuh: is this a dream?
16:45 < lsneff> Why do you think this is a conspiracy channel?
16:53 < izen> donno
16:53 < izen> what is it about?
16:57 < izen> oh i see to become like cyborgs
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17:29 < lsneff> those kind of people show up periodically. I guess it's basically just internet weather
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17:45 < Jayson_Virissimo> Gimmick, or could you anything interesting with this: https://openpcr.org/ ?
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18:01 < fenn> it works but costs too much. just buy a used PCR machine on ebay
18:02 < fenn> there was another design that uses a fan and an incandescent light bulb, like idaho systems thermocyclers
18:05 < fenn> Lightbulb PCR Machine from Russel Durret: http://web.archive.org/web/20180221114402/russelldurrett.com/lightbulbpcr.html
18:06 < fenn> .title http://vimeo.com/18827627
18:06 < saxo> Verify to Continue
18:07 < fenn> .title https://gist.github.com/100ideas/1120142
18:07 < saxo> CyclerCan PCR program for Arduino, updated for hairdryer thermocycler · GitHub
18:09 < fenn> the idaho thermocyclers use glass capillary tubing to hold the pcr mix, and they don't seem to cause condensation on the walls of the tubing so the mix stays constant
18:09 < fenn> also it's a lot faster since there's less material to heat up between the heater and the PCR mixture
18:26 < L29Ah> why this channel has such a shitty name?
18:26 < L29Ah> ##cyborgs would have been more appropriate
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18:27 < L29Ah> there's no way our target auidence would come up with something like eich-plus-road-map in their search query!
19:07 < kanzure> naming things is fundamentally hard
19:08 < kanzure> mr. L29Ah
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20:59 < fenn> sigh.. not sure what i'm supposed to get from a study that literally uses sugar + caesin + corn oil as the "control"
20:59 < fenn> casein*
21:00 < fenn> and then they compare it to the unhealthy "high fat western diet" which just has more corn oil
21:03 < L29Ah> i hope someone makes a study of https://github.com/l29ah/muesli someday
21:08 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations_campaigns_of_Edward_Bernays
21:08 < fenn> "fluoride deficiency"
21:09 < fenn> do they put it in the water in russia?
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21:20 < fenn> https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/ seven IQ points here, seven IQ points there, pretty soon you'll start to notice a difference
21:21 < L29Ah> 08:09:30]<fenn> do they put it in the water in russia?
21:21 < L29Ah> no
21:21 < fenn> oh apparently fluoride causes diabetes too
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21:50 < fenn> how the hell does this "fluoride deficiency" wikipedia article not have a "controvery" section
22:03 < L29Ah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fluorine_deficiency do it
22:09 < L29Ah> i wonder if i should replace some chlorides with phosphates in my muesli liquid for better tooth remineralization
22:10 < L29Ah> it already contains 30x the concentration of Ca compared to saliva
22:15 < fenn> industrially produced crops already have craploads of phosphates
22:15 < L29Ah> great
22:15 < fenn> real muesli is soaked overnight in live yogurt to release the phosphate (and other minerals that it binds to as inositol-6P)
22:15 < L29Ah> i doubt they are available to the enamel
22:15 < L29Ah> oh, makes sense
22:16 < L29Ah> my real muesli tend to go sour if i leave them wet for too long
22:16 < L29Ah> in hot summers (28°C) they sometimes turn sour in <15h
22:17 < L29Ah> s,real,,
22:18 < fenn> is there some sample output? i don't know what your recipe is, at all
22:18 < L29Ah> it's linked in there in README ._.
22:18 < L29Ah> http://muesli.l29ah.blasux.ru/muesli-dump.html
22:18 < fenn> and then what do you do with the ingredients?
22:20 < L29Ah> i pour boiled water and stir a lil the plant stuff, getting porridge as a result
22:20 < L29Ah> s/boiled/boiling/
22:20 < fenn> sorry i didn't click on "ansi2html'ed snapshot" BECAUSE IT'S NOT OBVIOUS
22:21 < L29Ah> patches are welcome ;)
22:22 < L29Ah> being an embedded systems programmer i'm bad at friendly interfaces and being a russian i'm bad at english
22:22 < fenn> there are several dozen links on that page
22:23 < fenn> you should just put the recipe at the top
22:23 < fenn> 99% of people who see this page will not install ghc and run your code
22:23 < fenn> in fact i doubt anybody has
22:25 < L29Ah> k done
22:26  * fenn sighs
22:26 < fenn> well it's an improvement
22:27 < fenn> His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom"
22:28 < fenn> this guy
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