--- Log opened Tue Jan 19 00:00:25 2021 00:30 -!- ottavio [~m0ttv@unaffiliated/m0ttv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:43 -!- faceface [~faceface@unaffiliated/faceface] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235180112.dynamic-4-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:27 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xsqrfpcgveadwprc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- Codaraxis_ [Codaraxis@gateway/vpn/mullvad/codaraxis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@91.193.4.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jrayhawk, nsh, nanotube, balrog, dbohdan 03:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: fenn 03:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jrayhawk, fenn 03:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dbohdan 03:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: balrog 04:01 -!- nsh [~lol@integer.musalbas.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:12 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:23 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- nsh [~lol@integer.musalbas.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:28 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- elkalamar__ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:54 -!- Hooloovo0 [Hooloovoo@sorunome.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:58 -!- Hooloovo0 [Hooloovoo@sorunome.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:58 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:38 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:30 < lsneff> In the 90s, did a group of early transhumanists work at Xerox PARC? 08:02 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:25 < apotheon> enquiring minds want to know 08:46 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:49 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- elkalamar__ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:56 -!- makaoterrola [~t@78-56-82-177.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:56 < makaoterrola> @search discourse analysis 09:04 -!- elkalamar__ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- makaoterrola [~t@78-56-82-177.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:06 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:08 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 -!- elkalamar__ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:12 -!- elkalamar [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:13 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:20 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 -!- elkalamar [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:24 -!- elkalamar__ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 < lsneff> Indeed 09:26 -!- elkalamar_ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27 < ottavio> Maybe off topic but I hope you can help. Back in the 1990s there was much fuss about negative ions and their therapeautic use, I myself build a few negative ions generators. Is it still a thing? 09:34 -!- prometheus_1 [~prometheu@88.230.145.120] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- prometheus_1 [~prometheu@88.230.145.120] has quit [Client Quit] 09:40 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:13 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:17 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 < apotheon> Does anyone here have any thoughts about Aubrey de Grey, or this event? https://www.newscientist.com/science-events/end-aging-aubrey-de-grey/ 11:26 -!- albatrosokontist [~unduspale@78-56-82-177.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- albatrosokontist [~unduspale@78-56-82-177.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:18 -!- sanehatter [~sanehatte@141.98.255.148] has quit [Quit: -] 13:24 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xsqrfpcgveadwprc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:53 -!- ottavio [~m0ttv@unaffiliated/m0ttv] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjfyvuzwcxaizukb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235180112.dynamic-4-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:41 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@c-73-147-55-120.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 < Hooloovo0> does anyone here have experience with microscopy (or know a good channel for it?) 15:00 < Hooloovo0> I'm trying to do some die shots and need some advice on fitting kohler illumination to a scope that isn't really designed for it 15:39 < nmz787> Hooloovo0: do you use discord? 15:39 < Hooloovo0> I try not to 15:39 < nmz787> on freenode there's ##sillycon 15:40 < nmz787> here's a vacuum hacking discord server I created last month https://discord.gg/yy9nyzn2y4 15:40 < Hooloovo0> yeah, I'm there. gave a pretty decently long rant and nobody responded 15:40 < nmz787> there's a few folks doing decapping and reversing chips 15:40 < Hooloovo0> vacuum hacking? as in vacuum pumps and stuff? 15:41 < nmz787> yea 15:41 < nmz787> I have a SEM and FIB in my garage 15:41 < nmz787> http://gnusha.org/~nmz787/pdf/smi3200/pics.html 15:41 < Hooloovo0> oh, very cool 15:42 < nmz787> there's a Xeon in there 15:43 < Hooloovo0> not at all surprised 15:43 < Hooloovo0> what do you do for SEM sample prep? iirc you need some kind of a coating on organic material 15:44 < nmz787> gold sputter, I've also toyed with graphene coating 15:45 < nmz787> not necessarily for organics, but more generally insulators 15:45 < nmz787> (as carbon in graphite/graphene is conductive) 16:04 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@ip68-5-90-227.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:07 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@91.193.4.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:21 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 < fenn> ottavio my air filter has a negative ion generator in it. when i tested on myself a long time ago it seemed to have a positive effect on mood/sleep quality (i still use it) 17:12 < fenn> it's a cheap and easy feature to add to the air filter feature bingo box, so i'd expect a lot of them have it 17:13 < fenn> it does deteriorate natural rubber (rubber bands) over a long time, so it probably has a tiny amount of ozone 17:13 < fenn> i don't know whether this is good or bad though 17:26 < Urchin[emacs]> bad 17:26 < Urchin[emacs]> ozone is pretty bad 17:33 < fenn> they said the same thing about radiation 17:34 < fenn> since i don't have a quantitative measurement, this is all just opinion anyway 17:43 < L29Ah> wat negative ions 17:43 < L29Ah> superoxide? 17:43 < L29Ah> i don't recommend breathing superoxide or getting it near any biological system that you want to remain functioning 17:44 < apotheon> Ozone is evidently useful at very high altitudes, though. 17:48 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: bye bye] 17:49 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@c-73-147-55-120.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02 -!- Codaraxis__ [~Codaraxis@91.193.4.20] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@ip68-5-90-227.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Jan 19 18:18:42 2021 --- Log opened Tue Jan 19 18:18:42 2021 18:19 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:19 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | as investigated by the fbi weapons of mass destruction division | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | https://diyhpl.us/wiki | not quite sponsored by george church | banned by the MIT media lab 18:19 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Thu Oct 17 10:53:37 2019] 18:19 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 18:19 [ abetusk ] [ darsie ] [ Hooloovo0 ] [ mrdata ] [ saxo ] 18:19 [ acertain ] [ dbohdan ] [ HumanG33k ] [ mrdata- ] [ SDr ] 18:19 [ AgenttiX_alt ] [ docl ] [ indiebio ] [ nanotube ] [ ShellcatZero ] 18:19 [ andytoshi ] [ dongcarl ] [ Jenda` ] [ nickjohnson] [ sivoais ] 18:19 [ apotheon ] [ dr-orlovsky] [ jrayhawk ] [ nikivi[m] ] [ sknebel ] 18:19 [ archels ] [ drolmer ] [ juri_ ] [ nmz787 ] [ Solgriffin ] 18:19 [ aztec ] [ dustinm ] [ justan0theruser] [ nsh ] [ srk ] 18:19 [ balrog ] [ elkalamar__] [ juul ] [ otoburb ] [ strages ] 18:19 [ beaky ] [ EnabrinTain] [ kanzure ] [ pasky ] [ streety ] 18:19 [ berndj ] [ ensign ] [ kuldeep_ ] [ pompolic ] [ superkuh ] 18:19 [ branon ] [ faceface ] [ L29Ah ] [ potatope ] [ TMA ] 18:19 [ bsm117532 ] [ fenn ] [ livestradamus ] [ preview ] [ traumschule ] 18:19 [ cannedprimates_] [ fltrz ] [ lsneff ] [ ptrcmd ] [ Urchin[emacs]] 18:19 [ catalase ] [ gnusha ] [ Malvolio ] [ redlegion ] [ wallet42___ ] 18:19 [ Codaraxis__ ] [ gwillen ] [ MarkOtaris ] [ rodarmor ] [ yonkunas ] 18:19 [ Cory ] [ heath ] [ mgxm ] [ s0ph1a ] 18:19 [ CryptoDavid ] [ HEx1 ] [ midnight ] [ saurik ] 18:19 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 83 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 83 normal] 18:19 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 18:20 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 112 secs 18:29 < kanzure> apotheon: aubrey is a nice enough fellow, but i'd keep an eye on sens foundation instead because he's more on the media circuit 18:30 < kanzure> (his org) 18:44 < apotheon> erm 18:45 < apotheon> What do you mean by "keep an eye on"? Are you saying "SENS Foundation is cool, and worth watching" or "SENS Foundation is sketchy, watch out for it"? 18:46 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49 < kanzure> apotheon: i wouldn't call them cool but i might glance at their research once in a while 18:51 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjfyvuzwcxaizukb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:51 < apotheon> Are you saying, then, that you wouldn't think that event is worthwhile because it's Aubrey giving the presentation, but SENS is worth checking out for research results? 18:54 < kanzure> aubrey is a nice enough person to meet a few times, one can usually find him in the closest bar after a conference concludes 18:54 < kanzure> really that's why i'd go, not because i might learn anything from him that i wouldn't otherwise learn from an article he has already written 18:55 -!- elkalamar__ [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:55 < kanzure> pretty sure he hasn't had a new thought in the past 10 years tho.... 18:55 < kanzure> could be wrong 18:58 < apotheon> okay, cool 18:59 < apotheon> I guess you don't have any reason to think SENS isn't actually doing good stuff. 19:03 < kanzure> they could be better at doing what they do 19:03 < apotheon> Is there a better alternative? 19:03 < apotheon> It's the only nonprofit foundation I know working on that kind of thing. 19:23 < fenn> there are other organizations e.g. the buck institute which are similarly ineffective 19:23 < fenn> someone's gotta do the grunt work though 19:30 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31 -!- sorki [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:32 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:34 -!- sorki is now known as srk 19:35 < fenn> hmm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrotope#Development deuterated PUFA to stop lipid peroxidation (linked from wikipedia page on google/calico research labs) 19:36 < fenn> i wonder if they've studied its effects on radiation resistance 19:50 < kanzure> cool to see my stuff referenced, although it is most definitely not being actively maintained contrary to the blog post https://medium.com/@Mr_Jaypee/brl-cads-python-procedural-geometry-990e3c286a63 20:10 < kanzure> "Identifying authorship style in malicious binaries" https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.06124 20:17 < apotheon> kanzure: Was it maintained in 2018? 20:18 < L29Ah> cool, SENS accepts cryptocurrency donations 20:18 < apotheon> Actually, it looks like the article publication date is the same date as the last commit on the repo. 20:18 < L29Ah> now i can't remember what software did i use to create that ~/.ethereum thing 20:18 < apotheon> That's why I was asking about SENS; I'm trying to figure out whether it's worth the donations. 20:18 < L29Ah> must be about ~$100 here to dispose of 20:21 < apotheon> kanzure: The README says "BSD" for the license. Which BSD license is it? 20:21 < apotheon> I don't see license text anywhere. 20:23 < apotheon> kanzure: If you don't care which "BSD" license, I could recommend the Simplifed BSD License (aka 2-Clause BSD License). http://copyfree.org/content/standard/licenses/2bsd/license.txt 22:12 -!- elkalamar [~elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:18 < lsneff> I just realized why I haven't been having luck with internships for the upcoming summer. I've really screwed up my resume and cover letters. 23:48 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235180112.dynamic-4-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Wed Jan 20 00:00:20 2021