--- Log opened Tue Feb 16 00:00:30 2021 00:02 < L29Ah> https://suricrasia.online/unfiction/basilisk/ 00:13 < ayaaa> ^ (chefs kiss) 01:03 < fenn> the formatting is impeccable 01:03 < L29Ah> that spacex landing was thrilling 01:03 < fenn> what spacex landing? ~ 01:04 < L29Ah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0dkyV09Zso 01:06 < fenn> outta the way birds 01:06 < fenn> shoo 01:10 < ayaaa> The error on citation 29 for the basilisk article is a nice touch 02:41 -!- ayaaa [b842ede8@S0106105611bf00f8.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21 < fltrz> L29Ah, I don't get it: the page insinuates 168 zero bits, but really its 256-168= 88 zero bits? 03:24 < L29Ah> fltrz: yup; i think this is a deliberate error to produce otherwise impossible inversions for the fiction text examples 03:24 < fltrz> log(2^88)/log(10) = ~26.5 decimal leading zeros; furthermore I aactually only count ~20 leading zeros 03:24 < L29Ah> 22*8 = 88 03:24 < L29Ah> er, 22*4 03:24 < fltrz> L29Ah, could you paraphrase what you say? 03:25 < L29Ah> "just ignore the inconsistencies, it's a work of fiction after all" 03:26 < fltrz> ok, I used base 10 but should have used base 16 so I agree with 22 03:27 < fltrz> L29Ah, ah ok, I thought these were serious malicious claims, I didn't realize it was humor 03:33 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213124.radom.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:56 < lsneff> nmz787_: yeah, I have the opportunity to cofound a company that I think would be very promising, but I also have a life where I am; friends, girlfriend, and I'm not sure I want to give that up 06:19 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:25 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmzbkkfutxbhpmnr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 < docl> I'm capable of moving for something that pays. got a kid on the way though so I need a stable income. 09:05 -!- thahxa [~thahxa@vlnsm3-toronto12-142-127-196-71.internet.virginmobile.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 < L29Ah> does a kid pay? 09:08 < docl> no, you gotta pay for a kid :/ 09:09 < L29Ah> ok, where's the "profit" part then? 09:09 < docl> also have to pay down my debts from my last move / employment gap 09:09 < docl> well she might turn out to be a genius 09:20 < apotheon> Kids can provide profit if you sell them, I guess, but I *really* don't recommend it. 09:21 < docl> I guess there are tax subsidies for kids, but those don't exceed the cost of raising a kid 09:23 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:27 -!- prometheus_1 [~root@88.230.139.51] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 < apotheon> docl: They do if you're poor enough, and skinflinty enough with the kid's needs, I think. 09:38 < apotheon> jurisdictional differences may alter calculations 09:43 < docl> I have negative money, is that poor enough? 09:44 < lsneff> Doesn’t everyone? 09:44 < docl> maybe not freshly bankrupt people who didn't go to college 09:49 < apotheon> docl: In this case, "poor" is defined by gross income, not by net worth, unfortunately. 09:49 < apotheon> lsneff: I don't have negative money. 09:50 < lsneff> I guess I don’t either. Got a good deal on college 09:50 < apotheon> I use my introversion as leverage for maximizing enjoyable lifestyle on a budget, though, so I guess I cheat. 09:50 < apotheon> There's currently zero debt in this household other than . . . I think I have a recent $1.60 charge on my card. 09:52 < apotheon> I guess this might seem like I'm denigrating people for having different lifestyle preferences, but I'm not. There are trade-offs. In my case, these are the trade-offs I prefer. 10:05 -!- Jayson_Virissimo [~Jayson@ip98-165-142-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 < docl> kudos for staying out of debt :) 10:17 -!- prometheus_1 [~root@88.230.139.51] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:42 < apotheon> docl: thanks 10:57 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:59 < lsneff> docl: it’s not nanotech 11:00 -!- join_cordblood [~join_cord@135-23-248-163.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 * L29Ah stays in debt so he can short more fiat 11:06 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 < apotheon> nice 11:11 < apotheon> L29Ah: That doesn't seem to make much sense unless you're taking out loans to invest in something non-fiat. 11:12 < apotheon> Of course, I don't think that's really shorting, either, because when you take out loans the interest ensures you're actually helping the lender and driving the numbers up for the fiat economic reports. 11:12 < apotheon> (I'm sure that comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek, though, so ignore my pedantry.) 11:12 < apotheon> (pretty sure, anyway) 11:14 < L29Ah> yup i take loans to invest in stuff like food and MRI scans (and cryptocurrencies ofc) 11:14 < apotheon> Those are important. 11:14 < apotheon> I Approve Of This Strategy™ 11:14 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 < apotheon> Maybe I should become a lender and require interest payments in cryptocurrencies. 11:37 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213124.radom.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:43 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpvrujjgqcgktyqy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:50 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 < L29Ah> https://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe?_service=v8prod&_server=aspv-wisq-1.cdc.gov&_port=5099&_sessionid=sDpimMjjQ52&_program=wisqars.dd_leadcaus10.sas&log=1&rept=&State=00&year1=2019&year2=2019&Race=0&Ethnicty=0&Sex=0&ranking=10&PRTFMT=FRIENDLY&lcdfmt=lcd1age&category=ALL&c_age1=0&c_age2=0&_debug=0 13:11 < nmz787_> so far having a kid hasn't cost us much money, most of what we've spent was on niceties not requirements (i.e. toys) 13:11 < nmz787_> daily costs though, medical stuff, has been pretty much unnoticeable 13:20 < apotheon> nice 13:20 < apotheon> seems like toys are expensive 13:20 < apotheon> If I ever decide I want a kid, I plan to build and program it myself. 13:20 < apotheon> and keep all the source in a Fossil repo 13:34 < docl> yeah but gestation uses existing source code so it's a lot easier. I'm not really sure where to start with building one. 13:36 < nmz787_> some toys are expensive, but for the most part I've been pretty conservative and only spent a lot on toys that are high value and will last many years 13:37 < nmz787_> but like, craigslist for things like a balance bike, wooden train set 13:37 < apotheon> What's a balance bike? 13:37 < L29Ah> docl: you can use gestation with synthetic DNA 13:37 < docl> well I think I need to get out of this studio appartment before the kid is big enough to notice. at least a bedroom, maybe two. 13:39 < nmz787_> but like for the snap circuits kits, I spent maybe $150 to $200 between ebay and at goodwill... but they're good for like 10+ years of learning 13:39 < nmz787_> apotheon: bike with no pedals 13:39 < apotheon> nmz787_: What, like Flintstones propulsion? 13:40 < nmz787_> lol 13:40 < nmz787_> basically, just so the pedals don't catch on their feet 13:41 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b57:61a6:1c19:f0fb:e2d2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b57:61a6:1c19:f0fb:e2d2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:42 < L29Ah> i had a proper trike when i was 3yo, easier and faster than flintstones propulsion 13:44 < nmz787_> well, I bought my kid an electric motorcyle for his 2nd birthday, but I installed training wheels 13:45 < apotheon> As a kid, I had the old red tricycle style, plus a Big Wheel. 13:45 < apotheon> electric motorcycle 13:45 < apotheon> wow 13:45 < apotheon> I wish those existed when I was a kid. 13:49 < nmz787_> L29Ah: well trike doesn't teach you much in the way of balance, other than /very/ coarse 13:50 < apotheon> true 13:50 < apotheon> different purpose 13:53 < L29Ah> nmz787_: sure; i got a bike with training wheels a few years later, yet still it was painful at the beginning 15:14 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 < fenn> legos by the pound 15:46 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b57:61a6:1c19:f0fb:e2d2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46 -!- preview [~quassel@210.246.47.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03 < apotheon> Legos are great for a kid. 17:51 < lsneff> Legos are great for adults 18:49 < apotheon> that too 18:50 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmzbkkfutxbhpmnr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:42 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpvrujjgqcgktyqy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:54 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18 -!- Jayson_Virissimo [~Jayson@ip98-165-142-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 21:25 -!- ayaaa [b842ede8@S0106105611bf00f8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:34 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohtpzchbmwhkxcap] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 < L29Ah> http://amvnews.ru/index.php?go=Files&file=down&id=3615 good morning 21:49 < L29Ah> 04:51:44] Legos are great for adults 21:49 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 < L29Ah> FDM > lego 21:50 -!- srk [~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 < srk> morning o/ 22:00 < ayaaa> hello 22:04 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohtpzchbmwhkxcap] has quit [] 22:04 < nmz787_> L29Ah: FDM is a little more energy intensive though 22:05 < fenn> FDM also requires you to know hot to use 3d modeling program, and to have lots of patience 22:05 < fenn> and in the end you get a shitty thing that is wrong and has a gross texture 22:05 < nmz787_> yeah, my almost 3 year old can use duplo blocks, I haven't tried with legos (smaller, hurt more if you step on them I think probably) 22:06 < L29Ah> but so many possibilities, also these days you just download the ready model from the net and make minor adjustments most of the time 22:06 < fenn> the reason i'm suggesting lego is that it teaches understanding of 3d geometry and mechanical manipulation 22:06 < nmz787_> and yeah, he's just learning how to use a touchpad, barely knows how to properly press keys without long-pressing and having duplicate keypresses register 22:06 < fenn> just downloading something and printing it out is almost as bad as corporate consumerism 22:06 < L29Ah> lego is better for entry level indeed 22:07 < nmz787_> in my experience with 3D printing, it isn't as easy as my laser printer 22:07 < nmz787_> and therefore it's kind of a much more consuming sort of thing that I really don't have the time to spend on setting up, debugging, making sure it's all calibrated properly 22:07 < nmz787_> maybe I haven't heard of the latest greatest printer that automates all that 22:08 < fenn> you can spend literally years on that setting up stuff 22:08 < L29Ah> also i had smth like https://static.my-shop.ru/product/f2/21/202531.jpg, a nice alternative for lego for some stuff 22:08 < fenn> meccano/erector set 22:08 < L29Ah> and polycaprolactone of course, i wish i had it 20 years earlier! 22:08 < nmz787_> a friend lent me his old form1, and the goo itself was enough that putting glvoes on meant I probably couldn't have my son in the garage at the same time, and not fear that things would get wayyyy dirtier 22:08 < fenn> yeah PCL is awesome 22:09 < nmz787_> (it also at the silicone print bed like the second time i tried it, and well, now it needs a new one of those) 22:09 < nmz787_> yeah I had meccano/erector sets as a kid, loved them 22:09 < L29Ah> 09:07:34] and therefore it's kind of a much more consuming sort of thing that I really don't have the time to spend on setting up, debugging, making sure it's all calibrated properly 22:09 < L29Ah> that's what an adult is for, in a kid's 3D printing hobby ;) 22:10 < fenn> another building toy i'd recommend is "strawbees" which are little plastic keys that go in the end of drinking straws and snap together 22:10 < apotheon> To be fair, L29Ah quoted the "for adults" line when saying "FDM > lego". 22:10 < nmz787_> heh, yeah, I get ahead of myself a little with buying my kid complex "toys" 22:10 < nmz787_> had to hold back a bit on buying him lego mindstorms recently 22:10 < apotheon> I've met adults who are probably barely competent to use Lego blocks, though. 22:10 < fenn> apotheon: i don't know any other adults who are competent at 3D modeling 22:11 < apotheon> I'm probably not, if you mean via appropriate software, but I could *get* competent if needed. 22:11 < nmz787_> I got my kid these plastic erector like thing a month ago https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71UNgpUC43L._AC_SL1000_.jpg 22:12 < apotheon> g'night 22:13 < fenn> anyway with 3D printing, unless you're actually creating geometry on a computer, it's a much more passive activity 22:14 < fenn> and even then it's still a fairly long time between having an idea and testing it out 22:14 < fenn> you could 3d print perfectly serviceable technic beams 22:15 < fenn> the studless kind 22:16 < nmz787_> basically Henry Ford and his Specialization of Labor kind of had some deep truth about humanity 22:47 -!- thahxa [~thahxa@vlnsm3-toronto12-142-127-196-71.internet.virginmobile.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:05 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:06 < fenn> .tw 1359215155784081414 23:06 < saxo> "I'm here live. I'm not a cat." // A lawyer logged into the 394th Judicial District with a cat filter on and couldn't turn it off. // This may be the funniest video I've seen this year. https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1359214936375885830/pu/pl/KtvAN9sBng_-MiFh.m3u8?tag=10 (@byDavidGardner) 23:07 < fenn> or maybe this link works better for some people http://twitter.com/byDavidGardner/status/1359215155784081414 23:18 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Wed Feb 17 00:00:31 2021