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00:24 < fenn> i bet the spammers intended to add a random salt to their spam so it's not so easily blocked, but they messed up
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04:10 < jrayhawk> it started off advertising something, but descended into a destructive contempt for freenode itself
04:11 < jrayhawk> presumably after freenode objected to it advertising something
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06:22 < lsneff> kanzure: i except to be alive for a long time, spending another year or two doing something I don't enjoy isn't too much to ask from myself
06:22 < lsneff> *expect
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07:10 < apotheon> lsneff: It seems to be an attack on Freenode rather than commercial spam.
07:23 < docl> lsneff: not leaving school is probably the right call, just my opinion :P
07:24 < juri_> lsneff: leave earth. :D
07:25 < lsneff> juri_: definitely planning to do that :P
07:27 < apotheon> In my experience, the two things that are most useful about formal schooling are 1. entry to a lot of employment opportunities and 2. inspiration for a lot of subject matter to pursue independently.
07:28 < juri_> lsneff: take me with you. :P
07:28 < apotheon> Access to subject matter experts might be third place -- because the access is often difficult even in school, and because many of those experts are really bad at teaching.
07:28 < apotheon> I guess I might've just been in the wrong schools, though.
07:28 < juri_> access to SMEs is a great thing about university. part of why i enjoyed working at the local engineering college so much.
07:29 < apotheon> If you find some who are good at conveying understanding and are actually available for you, sure.
07:30 < apotheon> Maybe one in twenty was both accessible and good at helping people understand, in my experience.
07:31 < apotheon> Some actively hindered learning.
07:31 < docl> honestly this chat is a bit like a school. resident experts in lots of topics, wide ranging discussions. we could be considered anti-academia in that we mirror it in some resepects while being the total opposite in some respects
07:31 < apotheon> (probably not intentionally)
07:32 < docl> welcome to ##hplusroadmap university :P
07:32 < apotheon> Yeah, a friendly community of knowledgeable people who can help others understand and provide recommendations for good learning materials is an amazing thing.
07:32 < juri_> docl: clearly, i am underpaid. :)
07:32 < docl> lol yup
07:39 < lsneff> I wouldn't exactly call this chat friendly, but it's not unfriendly either
07:40 < lsneff> School has been useful so far for finding employment, but inspirations for independent/personal research have come from afar instead.
07:40 < lsneff> Maybe I'm doing school wrong
07:40 < apotheon> I think school is doing you wrong.
07:41 < apotheon> School can probably provide ideas of what to study independently; look at the syllabus, and study that stuff.  Research, though . . . that's a bit different.
07:42 < apotheon> Schools tend to be heavily bureaucratic, and not well suited to inspiring anything new (in my experience).
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07:49 < lsneff> I write research and study interchangeably in this context, they often lead into each other
07:53 < lsneff> But yeah, maybe.
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11:07 < fltrz> is anyone else getting a lot of spam /msg'es?
11:07 < fltrz> sinec the last 20 hours or so
11:08  * fltrz reads scroll  back
11:09 < apotheon> fltrz: yes
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11:29 < fenn> (feb 23) [global notice] Due to today's high wave of spam, you might want to set yourself +R to block PMs from unidentified users. In many clients this is "/mode YourNickHere +R" and we've enabled this as a default mode for the duration.
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14:34 < fenn> http://youtu.be/4czjS9h4Fpg Perseverance Rover’s Descent and Touchdown on Mars (onboard footage)
14:34 < fenn> in case you missed it
14:35 < apotheon> If that's the same video I saw . . . I was a little disappointed I didn't get to see the heat shield impact with the planetary surface.
14:37 < lsneff> That is some incredible dust dynamics
14:38 < L29Ah> thats bearly an atmosphere
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14:39 < lsneff> Can't wait to see that in person in a decade or two :P
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14:43 < L29Ah> have you scheduled ur cancer MRI yet?
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19:51 < kanzure> "Proof-carrying data without succinct arguments" https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1618.pdf
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