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00:25 < fenn> "a private industry code, strictly enforced, is more effective than government censorship as a means of imposing religious dogma. It is secret, for one thing, operating at the pre-production stage. The audience never knows what has been trimmed, cut, revised, or never written. For another, it is uniform—not subject to hundreds of different licensing standards. Finally and most important,
00:25 < fenn> private censorship can be more sweeping in its demands, because it is not bound by constitutional due process or free-expression rules—in general, these apply to only the government—or by the command of church-state separation ... there is no question that American cinema today is far freer than in the heyday of the Code, when Joe Breen's blue pencil and the Legion of Decency's ever-present
00:25 < fenn> boycott threat combined to assure that films adhered to Catholic Church doctrine."
01:47 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: There's quite a few modafinil analogues and prodrugs though, including some considerably different like Hydrafinil
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05:55 < L29Ah> Llamamoe: hydrafinil chemical structure looks a lil frightening to me
05:56 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: I know it's similar to something but I don't remember what
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07:37 < lsneff> I have my first in-person class today for the first time in about a year.
07:40 < L29Ah> Llamamoe: Fmoc
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07:56 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: O_o Huh
07:59 < Llamamoe> Sure is a lookalike
08:01 < L29Ah> i wonder how different is modafinil to caffeine (or even nicotine?) in its circadian rhythm-adjusting use case
08:02  * L29Ah never tried modafinil as it's expensive on the black market here
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08:37 < Llamamoe> Oh right, L29Ah, can I PM you?
08:45 < L29Ah> sure
09:52 < andytoshi> thank god we have libraries to censor literature for us https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/six-dr-seuss-books-will-be-discontinued-because-of-racist-and-insensitive-imagery.html
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10:29 < lsneff> im peer-reviewing a few cover letters in one of my classes, and it honestly seems like writing from a parallel universe. They're not bad necessarily--and I think I probably write cover letters in the same way--but gosh, there's just something off in the way people write when they're trying to show themselves off
10:39 < apotheon> lsneff: How so?
11:13 < fenn> andytoshi: so now i can print those dr. seuss books for free right? that's how copyright is supposed to work right? right?!
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13:32 < fenn> texas is defecting in the national prisoner's dilemma
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13:54 < fltrz> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.1c00008
13:57 < apotheon> fenn: How so?
13:57 < apotheon> hmm
13:57 < apotheon> That seems to be my standard phrase today.
14:20 < fenn> opening all businesses and stopping wearing masks
14:20 < fenn> they get the economic boost but it extends the duration of the pandemic
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14:21 < apotheon> got it
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15:34 < andytoshi> fenn: i doubt it's meaningfully extending the duration of the pandemic now, it will stop when there is widespread vaccination
15:34 < andytoshi> they may increase the death toll
15:34 < andytoshi> but that's more of a race to the bottom than a prisoner's dilemna
15:35 < andytoshi> "whichever state will sacrifice more people will get the better economy"
15:35 < fenn> the word "festering" comes to mind
15:40 < jrayhawk> describing that as a "race to the bottom" is ignoring the tradeoffs involved
15:41 < jrayhawk> hospice care can be described the same way
15:42 < jrayhawk> do we crash the economy to provide the maximal amount of hospice care?
15:44 < andytoshi> yeah that's fair jrayhawk
15:47 < jrayhawk> more generally, systemizing moral intuitions primarily as minimizing harm reduction produces pathological results; life experiences harm over competition for limited resources, life grows exponentially, and, as a result, harm grows exponentially wherever there is life. The most effective way to reduce harm is to end all life.
15:47 < jrayhawk> This is why veterinarians get into the job, and this is why they have one of the highest suicide rates of any career.
15:47 < apotheon> It's kind of a trade-off in lives, in some respect.  A big question is whether the higher-order effects later from a longer-damaged economy will be worse than the shorter-term deaths from COVID-19.
15:47 < jrayhawk> Because they systemized on harm reduction, and almost all of what they do is kill that which they tried to harm-reduce.
15:48 < jrayhawk> s/minimizing harm reduction/harm reduction/
15:49 < apotheon> Speaking of veterinarians and euthanasia, we treated a cat longer than we should have.  The last few months, the cat would have been better off dead.
15:49 < apotheon> . . . and we ultimately resorted to euthanasia anyway.
15:49 < apotheon> It was also a substantially negative enough experience at the end that I basically forbid further pets in our household for the foreseeable future.
15:55  * L29Ah is puzzled with people who decide to own pet cats: it's a negative experience during most of the ownership, with the pets wrecking living spaces, their waste products poisoning the environment, their illnesses damaging humans, and their sustenance trickling resources away
15:59 < jrayhawk> i prefer them to rodents
16:09 < apotheon> lsneff: There's definitely a rational case to be made against cats as pets, especially considerin their domestication benefits are mostly confined to rural communities with free-roaming cats rather than urban and suburban communities with indoor cats.
16:09 < apotheon> oh
16:09 < apotheon> lsneff: sorry, not you, wrong L-name
16:09 < apotheon> L29Ah: I meant you.
16:09 < apotheon> Cats do beat rodents, though.
16:10 < apotheon> Cats are actually a surprisingly effective anti-rodent measure, and probably less toxic to humans and the environments than common exterminator tactics, overall.
16:10 < apotheon> s/ments/ment/
16:10 < apotheon> I can't even blame that typo on my keyboard.
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16:12 < lsneff> I like having cats around
16:12 < lsneff> It's probably toxoplasmosis
16:13 < ElderMalaclypse> possibly
16:13 < ElderMalaclypse> I remember an article about toxoplasmosis and its effects on humans going around, where the headline asserted that it made women "sexier", which I found ludicrous.
16:14 < ElderMalaclypse> Upon reading the article, I discovered that, somehow, "hornier" and "sexier" were being used interchangeably.
16:14 < ElderMalaclypse> Journalists don't understand words, in short.
16:15 < lsneff> If I remember correctly, it had that effect in rats
16:25 < fenn> "it's a negative experience" well no wonder you're confused
16:26 < fenn> i feel the same way about children
16:26 < fenn> i'm sure some people get something out of it
16:29 < L29Ah> children are similar but with much bigger investment and an additional huge chunk of ethical problems
16:30 < L29Ah> maybe having children is an effective way to make certain kinds of people for the world (some really good specialists for instance?), but is too slow
16:30 < ElderMalaclypse> I consider children and pets largely the same cost/benefit analysis, but (as L29Ah mentioned) thornier ethics and differences in magnitude of costs and benefits.
16:31 < ElderMalaclypse> Just identifying when children are no longer pseudo-pets is, in and of itself, pretty thorny.
16:31 < ElderMalaclypse> (Don't tell anyone I said that.  I don't want to get burned at the stake.)
16:41  * fenn notes the channel has public logs
17:02 < ElderMalaclypse> yeah yeah
17:02 < ElderMalaclypse> it's too late
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19:48 < kanzure> https://spie.org/photonics-west/presentation/Kernel-flux--a-whole-head-432-magnetometer-optically-pumped/11700-101?SSO=1
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20:22 < kanzure> kemmish http://molecular.tv/
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20:28 < lsneff> ha, pun on demoncore
20:29 < kanzure> you can find him in the logs
20:34 < lsneff> the website should really do a better job of explaining why distributing nanopore analyzers as gaming consoles will help "solve biology"
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