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00:03 < maaku> lsneff: https://workmanlayout.org
00:25 < fenn> lsneff: http://www.openstenoproject.org/
00:28 < fenn> "Typing in itself is an unnatural and hazardous task and no keyboard layout could prevent injury without proper precautions and common sense." lol
00:29 < fenn> why do people type so much
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05:21 < Jay_Dugger> Hello, everyone
05:21 < kanzure> be greeted
05:38 < docl> howdy
05:45 < docl> fenn: curious about the context there -- was he making a novel argument or echoing what was in vogue already at the time? either way, with the benefit of hindsight it looks like he was rather dramatically wrong.
05:47 < L29Ah> kanzure: what's your typing cpm?
06:04 < docl> fenn: actually thinking it over I'm skeptical that he seriously advocated a preemptive strike. that's not consistent with MAD, which is anti-preemptive-strikes
06:38 < kanzure> L29Ah: i dunno, link me to an online test
06:38 < kanzure> https://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/english
06:39 < kanzure> this says 755 characters
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07:49 < L29Ah> kanzure: what's your keyboard and layout?
08:04 < kanzure> various keyboards, qwerty
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14:32 < jrayhawk> https://reviverestore.org/funding-opportunities/woolly-mammoth-revival-fellowship/
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15:18 < fenn> docl: MAD was later, after soviets had developed a retaliatory ability
15:19 < fenn> docl: he was a major consultant for RAND which was in charge of coming up with nuclear policy, so i doubt he was "echoing what was in vogue" since nobody else had any clue about anything
15:21 < fenn> here's a less flattering than usual article about him, which gives some idea what he was really like http://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/soco/projects/1998-99/game-theory/neumann.html
15:21 < fenn> i mean, it's not like i personally knew him, but it's got some character description
16:11 < docl> fenn: thinking it over again, looks like he may have started as in favor of preemptive nuking and then jumped on the MAD bandwagon later
16:14 < docl> not looking like the saint of rationality some would like him to be
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18:16 < apotheon> For a saint of rationality, look for someone like Claude Shannon or C. A. R. Hoare.
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18:37 < L29Ah> kanzure: how did you achieve such a typing speed? were there hectohours of deliberate practice?
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19:19 < kanzure> L29Ah: no just lots of arguing on the internet
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