--- Log opened Sun Mar 07 00:00:49 2021 00:44 < archels> .title https://vention.io/ 00:44 < saxo> Build your machine today. Receive it tomorrow | Vention 01:57 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:22 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:5e:3ecf:414:dbb1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:50 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhurlfeverdrqskq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:27 < maaku> docl: MAD objectively worked tho :\ 05:51 < docl> maaku: yeah, but the fact that he apparently argued preemptive nuking before he came around to MAD is kinda depressing. fits with the overton window though (also being willing to consider nuking russia in the first place would be necessary to develop the idea of MAD) 06:13 * L29Ah wishes for a cheap (time-wise) way to get rid of his facial hair, preferably forever 06:14 < L29Ah> electrologic hair removal takes insane amounts of time 06:34 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhurlfeverdrqskq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:21 < fltrz> I think the mechanosensitive hair roots, and their being wired up with neurons may turn out to be a valuable channel of information from computer to brain 07:24 < fltrz> did anyone see Ben Krasnow's recent bomb calorimetry video? when he measures the chemical energy of his vacuum freeze dried ground up poop, after burning theres these weird balls of non flammables that remained. I think that was the most interesting (unexpected) part. Is it PDMS or something added to food to give a sense of heavy / full stomach? 07:25 < fltrz> he should find out what it is 07:32 < docl> Hair yank based UI? 07:33 < docl> Beard based coding, the ultimate techbro app 07:41 < fltrz> docl, yep, at least less invasive 08:35 -!- branon [~branon@c-71-200-186-197.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["WeeChat 2.9"] 09:00 < kanzure> thang010146 seems to still be at it. kinda cool. 09:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: lsneff, strages, juul, redlegion, s0ph1a, EnabrinTain 09:18 -!- redlegion [sid429547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wevqomoemylhclkw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- lsneff [sid265665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ievcjzyvkbsohxkh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdlpmjqoqxlquxdy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- s0ph1a [sid246387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: juul 09:19 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 09:19 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fokcorgjbtkqhcqi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- s0ph1a [sid246387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 09:19 -!- s0ph1a [sid246387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zyjuyuzxyvecwrkn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 -!- mjr[m] [mjrconvers@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ryarujbzrqrggqzf] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:56 -!- mjr[m] [mjrconvers@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-btgkhvctnsvafoey] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 < nmz787_> fltrz: PDMS will at least turn to ash 10:17 < fltrz> I would expect the silicon not to end up as ash 10:18 < fltrz> did you watch the latest Applied Science episode? did you see the beads? 10:21 < fltrz> I'd expect it to end up as silicon dioxide (glass) 10:23 < L29Ah> fly ash 10:26 < fltrz> what flue gas can it escape with? its closed in a bomb 10:28 * L29Ah haven't grabbed enough context 10:29 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 < fltrz> L29Ah, context is latest Applied Science video by Ben Krasnow 10:32 < fltrz> he makes, tests, calibrates a bomb calorimeter, then tries to measure the chemical efficiency of human gut, by eating soylent for a week and burning is feces 11:38 < nmz787_> fltrz: I saw it advertised somewhere, but didn't watch it... I only know from experience of getting silicone gasket too hot and it turning to ash 11:39 < nmz787_> also, I don't expect soylent to have any PDMS in it 11:39 < nmz787_> (that's what I read he was eating to prime the experiment) 12:32 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:51 < maaku> L29Ah: hormone treatment. has some side effects though 12:53 < maaku> docl: I don't know. As a pacifist I find the first-strike policy abhorrent, of course, but aside from that I think it's a historically defensible position. 12:54 < maaku> I think he wanted to avoid the cold war (best case outcome) or total nuclear war between two fully armed states 12:56 < maaku> So it's the typical argument for a small, justified, limited war. 12:58 < maaku> (Keep in mind nukes in 1940's were not city busters. They were what are today called "tactical nukes." They were used against Japanese poulation centers, but the idea for Russia or China AFAIK was to use them against large military formations & depots) 13:03 < L29Ah> hormone treatment seems to be either trans-crowd HRT that results in a weaker body, or dangerously uncharted territory :/ 13:35 < maaku> yeah was not a serious suggestion, unless you like having boobs 13:35 < maaku> in which case more power to you 14:00 < fenn> many other actual wars would not have happened: vietnam, korean war, angola war, ... 14:00 < fenn> but who knows what history would have been like in a single-superpower scenario 14:03 < fenn> "[Angola] was used as a surrogate battleground for the Cold War by rival states such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, South Africa and the United States." 14:03 < fenn> somehow we never learned about this in history class, or, well, anywhere 14:07 < fenn> Ivy Mike (first fusion bomb) was in late 1952, but had been in development for 10 years by then. it wasn't exactly a surprise to anybody 14:08 < fenn> "response to the first Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. On January 31, 1950, Truman announced a crash program to develop the hydrogen (fusion) bomb" 14:09 < fenn> in late 1953 the soviet union had their first fusion bomb test 14:11 < kanzure> "On double-entry bookkeeping: The mathematical treatment" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2463442 14:13 < fenn> also, MAD very nearly didn't work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls 14:16 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 < fenn> i feel like this list of nuclear close calls is incomplete, since it lists many more computer malfunctions on the US side of things, and soviet computer technology was notoriously unreliable 14:26 < fenn> there were probably many more incidents that were buried to prevent political embarrassment 14:27 < L29Ah> or there were meatbags instead of computers 14:27 < fenn> meatbags are also notoriously unreliable 15:13 < maaku> fenn: meatbags are more reliable than computers when it comes to averting nuclear exchange however 15:14 < maaku> i mean the list of soviet close calls mostly boils down to "computerized sensors were saying there's a US first strike in progress, but some meatbag intervened" 15:14 < maaku> *some soviet meatbag 15:15 < maaku> IIRC Stanislav Petrov was reprimanded because with the facts at his disposal at the time he had no basis for calling off a retalitory strike as he did 15:15 < maaku> save the world and get punished for it :( 15:17 < lsneff> When is Petrov Day, again? 15:18 < fenn> On 26 September 1983, 15:22 < maaku> huh, that's like nearly exactly nine months before I was born 15:22 < maaku> I guess the whole world exists so that I could be born. 15:22 < maaku> You're welcome everyone. 15:23 < fenn> thanks maaku 15:28 < lsneff> i appreciate that, maaku 15:29 < fltrz> "obviously it wasn't MAD but people praying around the world that prevented nuclear holocaust" 15:30 < fltrz> how can we attribute to MAD, it simply proclaims to prevent something. doesn't mean it was staved off because of it 15:30 < fltrz> MAD is more like a religion 15:30 < fenn> it's also a magazine 15:31 < fltrz> tongue in cheek of course 15:31 < fltrz> "become a geek and profit from the MAD racket" 15:47 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34 < fenn> OT for this channel, but maaku isn't in the back-channel where i ramble about political stuff: 16:34 < fenn> prison for life, one way or another https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-truancy-arrests-2020-progressive-prosecutor_n_5c995789e4b0f7bfa1b57d2e 16:35 < fenn> it really rubs me the wrong way how they say truant kids are "costing them" money because they don't get paid if the kids aren't there. like you're turning them into human cattle to be sold as a product 16:36 < fenn> this is compulsory schooling 16:40 < L29Ah> oh commiefornia 16:40 < fenn> it's everywhere 16:44 < L29Ah> in .ru it's not a criminal offence to let your kid skip lessons, and you can bribe your way from the compulsory schooling altogether for a very reasonable price, at least if you're fine with yearly exams to check whether the kid learns the school program 16:54 < lsneff> There's a back-channel? 16:55 < fenn> i can neither confirm nor deny 16:55 < fenn> you're not missing much 16:56 < fenn> people complaining about computer hardware problems mostly 17:00 < lsneff> how mysterious 17:43 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:5e:3ecf:414:dbb1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdnaikkqjzkionis] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:06 < lsneff> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328451446_Philosophical_Difficulties_of_Mind_Uploading_as_a_Medical_Technology 20:19 < lsneff> https://github.com/athensresearch/athens 21:28 < fenn> Athens is an open-source and local-first alternative to Roam Research (a note taking tool for networked thought) 21:28 < fenn> whatever that means 21:29 < fenn> looks like a personal wiki 21:30 < fenn> [[bidirectional links]], ((block references)), and a graph database 21:30 < fenn> not sure what the last two mean 21:33 < fenn> "When participating in the Athens community, you are agreeing to embody Athens's values." how about fuck you 21:37 < fenn> Exit, I Choose You! 22:05 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdnaikkqjzkionis] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:23 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:59 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Mon Mar 08 00:00:51 2021