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07:10 < lsneff> maaku: finally read the wiki page for it. Wow, that's cool.
07:12 < lsneff> And it's essentially what I had in mind
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13:50 < lsneff> .t https://mobile.twitter.com/aubreydegrey/status/1371196809595346950
13:50 < saxo> I now think there is a 50% chance that we will reach longevity escape velocity by 2036. After that point (the "Methuselarity"), those who regularly receive the latest rejuvenation therapies will never suffer from age-related ill-health at any age. (@aubreydegrey)
13:54 < apotheon> I like that estimation, if it's accurate.
13:58 < L29Ah> just ignore futurologist bullshit
14:06 < lsneff> do you count aubrey de grey as one of those futurologists, or just people like ray kurzweil?
14:31 < maaku> de grey is a doer, but suffers from elon musk levels of asperational optimism in timelines
14:31 < maaku> i certainly hope that date is solid of course
14:33 < maaku> if you believe it, buy AgeX stock
14:33 < apotheon> How can a 50% estimate of 2013 be "solid"?  It just seems like a personal assessment.
14:33 < apotheon> If I believe it, I'd rather buy AgeX product.
14:37 < kanzure> https://www.nypl.org/blog/2019/04/04/beginners-guide-mecha-manga-anime
14:39 < apotheon> err, s/2013/2036/
14:39 < apotheon> dunno how that happened
14:47 < juri_> L29Ah: ignoring futurism, and doing something about it at least keeps you busy. :)
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16:49 < L29Ah> i wonder if the cycling/HPV industry tried aiding lungs with an arm/leg-driven pump to increase the human power output
16:53 < apotheon> juri_: That's a bit like ignoring national popularity contests and actually doing something about making the world better yourself.
16:58 < L29Ah> juri_: recently i decided to drop my communal resource meter/telecom embedded development clients and work with my biologist friends that automate chemistry; i wonder if that brings me and the world closer to the longevity branch of transhumanism
16:59 < L29Ah> or i should have left it to bioinformatics professionals™
17:00 < L29Ah> the biochemists are surprisingly cold-hearted towards transhumanism though; one even tells he's just going to die in 20 years from the cancer from all the chemicals he works with
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19:54 < lsneff> Any of you planning on going to transvision in september?
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20:23 < fenn> never heard of it
20:25 < lsneff> humanity+ conference
20:26 < fenn> was this the thing that used to be in second life?
20:26 < fenn> or some sort of VR video chat thing
20:27 < fenn> http://telexlr8.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/transvision-2010-october-22-24-2010/
20:27 < lsneff> Maybe? It's been in person recently at least.
20:28 < lsneff> From what I can tell
20:30 < fenn> i never understood why people create a new domain name for each year of a conference
20:30 < fenn> then you have to maintain that shit forever, or it just breaks and is gone
20:33 < lsneff> beats me
21:29 < lsneff> i wonder if alcor asks if you're comfortable being simulated, or would prefer waiting until physical restoration is possible
22:19 < maaku> fenn: big dns lobby
22:20 < maaku> lsneff: they do not
22:21 < lsneff> perhaps they should
22:21 < maaku> yes they certainly should
22:21 < maaku> would have saved them some recent legal trouble
22:22 < lsneff> oh?
22:23 < maaku> Laurence Pilgeram
22:23 < maaku> they could start with not chopping off heads of people who don't want it
22:24 < maaku> but you look into the reseason why Pilgeram asked for whole-body cryopreservation, it is because he wanted to be revived in his body
22:24 < maaku> alcor decided on the spot not to
22:27 < lsneff> "Since this all transpired late on a Friday evening, Alcor was not notified of the incident until the following Monday morning."
22:27 < apotheon> holy fuck
22:27 < lsneff> He was gone anyhow
22:28 < apotheon> Still . . . that's kinda like asking to have a nice casket for your funeral, and they just cremate you.  You're not getting what you thought you paid to get.
22:28 < apotheon> "What?  Open casket?  Why?  It's going to be empty.  We just incinerated the fucker."
22:28 < lsneff> That's a reasonable point.
22:29 < lsneff> It's not cut and dry though. Alcor's imperative is to make revival as likely as possible. I could understand deciding that direct neurocryropreservation would be the best option.
22:32 < lsneff> On the other hand, he was already past info death... so I'm not sure
22:36 < maaku> lsneff: they still cryopreserved his head though
22:36 < maaku> they thought it was worth trying, just couldn't be bothered to do the body
22:39 < maaku> and i don't know the details, but if he was in the morgue for that time he's probably not past info death
22:39 < maaku> but regardless if you assume the ability to scan a body to atomic detail, i doubt anything short of incineration is actual info death
22:43 < maaku> lsneff: Alcor's imperative is to fulfill their contract obligations to the legally deceased's estate
22:44 < lsneff> Yes, I suppose that's true.
22:45 < lsneff> What happened with the case?
22:46 < lsneff> And what is alcor allowed to do in the long-term? e.g. must they revive whole-bodies with the original body?
22:47 < maaku> his son Kurt is sueing Alcor for everything
22:47 < maaku> Alcor isn't settling. it's going to court
22:47 < maaku> Alcor is trying to fund raise from their members for the legal defense. i told them to piss off
22:49 < lsneff> 'everything'?
22:49 < maaku> the patient care trust, all assets, everything
22:49 < maaku> he wants to dismantle alcor
22:49 < lsneff> Moronic
22:50 < lsneff> there'd go his father's only chance of future revival
22:51 < maaku> his father made clear in no uncertain terms that he would rather be cremated than neuropreservation
22:52 < maaku> so kurt feels that alcor has descicrated his father's body, and is holding him against his wishes
22:52 < maaku> i don't think it's moronic to ask for his father back, given the clear evidence that alcor entirely mishandled the situation
22:53 < lsneff> Yeah, asking for the head back makes sense
22:53 < lsneff> I'm not disagreeing with that
22:53 < maaku> when that didn't happen (alcor went to full defensive lawyer mode immediately), he started digging and aparantly didn't like what he found
22:54 < maaku> he feels Alcor is like scientology, taking advantage of its members by selling things it doesn't provide
22:54 < maaku> so now he's on a mission to destroy it
22:55 < maaku> i think he's gone too far, but i also think it's entirely alcor's fault
22:55 < lsneff> im reading up on the case
22:55 < lsneff> very interesting
22:56 < lsneff> did they ever say why they didn't do the whole body?
22:58 < lsneff> definitely a touchy subject, everyone has a different opinion of cryropreservation
23:00 < lsneff> It seems that max more stepped down.
23:25 < fenn> Max More
23:25 < fenn> Alcor Ambassador & CEO Emeritus
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