--- Log opened Wed Mar 17 00:00:58 2021 00:41 -!- catalase [catalase@unaffiliated/catalase] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:48 < fenn> time for open FPGAs 00:54 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:21 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213113.radom.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:26 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213113.radom.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:26 -!- catalase [catalase@pls.just.stfu-kthx.bnc4you.xyz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:26 -!- catalase is now known as Guest81281 02:49 < juri_> it's always time, we're just missing a bunch of hacker-hours. 02:50 -!- ptrcmd_ [~ptrcmd@unaffiliated/petercommand] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:55 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ptrcmd 02:59 -!- apotheon [~apotheon@copyfree/founder/apotheon] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02 -!- apotheon [~apotheon@copyfree/founder/apotheon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:20 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213113.radom.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213113.radom.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gefcxzvgrzrtpzkz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 < lsneff> merkle and freitas still working: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/2b/ed/10/036d40db53465f/US20210024353A1.pdf 07:32 < lsneff> Huh, they figured out how to make a few of the tooltips they need to bootstrap 07:34 < lsneff> yeah, looks like they can make two "proto" tooltips with just an SPM and some prepared surfaces, and then create all the other tooltips they need with those. 07:36 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213113.radom.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:25 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:51 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:51 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 < lsneff> ^ if any of you are interested in working on that stuff: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/ko9g8i/comment/gq9d3mt 10:31 < maaku> I still think this is hilariously unexpected that the company making APM is a bank note company, a literal cash printing machine 10:43 -!- ptrcmd_ is now known as ptrcmd 11:03 < TMA> maaku: That is a common misconception. 11:04 < maaku> ? 11:05 < TMA> maaku: those companies do not print money. they print banknote-like-objects. The process of converting banknote-like-object to currency is done in the central bank. The central bank writes the serial numbers of the bank-note-like-objects into a register of valid currency. 11:07 < TMA> if someone steals the banknote-like-objects, they stole like few cents worth of paper per banknote-like-object. If they try to pay with them, it is counterfeinting. 11:07 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 < maaku> TMA: sure, yes. It's just weird that this company, of all companies, is the one trying to make Drexlarian nanotech 11:09 -!- Guest81281 [catalase@pls.just.stfu-kthx.bnc4you.xyz] has quit [Changing host] 11:09 -!- Guest81281 [catalase@unaffiliated/catalase] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 < maaku> you'd expect them to be less radical 11:27 < lsneff> It is pretty funny 11:30 < lsneff> Unfortunately I'm not eligible at the moment because they won't take interns or do co-ops, maybe perhaps it'll work out after I graduate 11:34 < maaku> lsneff: need to work on your C++17 too 11:34 < lsneff> Eh 11:35 < lsneff> They should switch to rust :P 11:39 < lsneff> maaku: but seriously, i don't think that'll be an issue 11:40 < lsneff> I'm just annoyed that's at least 1.5 years away 11:42 < TMA> nanotech might make the banknote-like-objects harder to counterfeit 11:42 < maaku> TMA: that's their justification 11:44 -!- Jayson_Virissimo [~Jayson@ip98-165-142-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 < TMA> maaku: that does not make it false :) [justifications that are being issued by bodies corporate being highly suspicious notwithstanding] 11:46 < maaku> I say justification because this is Merkle and Freitas' effort. 11:47 < maaku> I don't think they got into this to make better bank notes. 11:47 < lsneff> I'm glad they finally convinced someone to fund them. 11:47 < maaku> for sure 11:48 < TMA> Maybe a security printer was the most viable avenue to secure funding for their leisure 11:48 < lsneff> That's literally exactly what maaku said 11:48 * TMA is being just slow 11:55 < lsneff> I suppose atomicmachines is probably out of its league here 11:55 < TMA> for the last year or so, I sometimes notice I am no longer as smart as I used to be; yet I fail to adjust the expectations accordingly 11:56 < TMA> sorry, I shall speak no longer 11:57 < lsneff> No no, we all have off-days, don't worry too much about it 11:57 < TMA> off-days are fine, off-months or off-quarters not so much 11:57 < maaku> TMA: lol no worries. text comms is hard. 12:00 -!- Guest81281 is now known as catalase 12:09 < lsneff> I wonder why they're bothering to patent at all. 12:09 < maaku> well I was saying something slightly different, that I'm surprised no other company had a larger need for APM than a bank note manufacturer 12:10 < lsneff> Ah, you're right, my mistake TMA 12:10 < maaku> but now that I think about it maybe CBN is ideal, as a conservative focused company with large government contracts is a stable environment in which to run a long-term R&D effort 12:10 < maaku> lsneff: why? (re: patents) 12:11 < maaku> this is consistent with what Merkle and Freitas have been trying to do in the last 15 years, to patent APM and make money off the licensing fees 12:13 < lsneff> I guess I'm not against that, they probably deserve it after all this time 12:24 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@088156213113.radom.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:07 < L29Ah> patents are equalizing 13:07 < L29Ah> rich people spend billions on license fees, poor people ignore them 13:07 * L29Ah hides 13:11 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:45 < jrayhawk> penalizing people who do things makes us all equally ineffective, yes 14:33 < kanzure> "Ex utero mouse embryogenesis from pre-gastrulation to late organogenesis" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03416-3 14:37 < kanzure> "Blastocyst-like structures generated from human pluripotent stem cells" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03356-y 14:37 < kanzure> "Modelling human blastocysts by reprogramming fibroblasts into iBlastoids" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03372-y 14:38 < kanzure> blastoise.jpg 15:09 -!- sanehatter_ [sanehatter@gateway/vpn/mullvad/sanehatter] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- sanehatter [sanehatter@gateway/vpn/mullvad/sanehatter] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 15:20 < apotheon> When is Apple going to sue over the name "iBlastoids"? 15:24 < L29Ah> iPerf goes in first 15:27 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- join_cordblood [~join_cord@135-23-248-163.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:32 -!- join_cordblood [~join_cord@135-23-248-163.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:15 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:00 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 < jrayhawk> prediction: in a three year interval between when the world's terrestrial governments disincentivize coal burning and then catch wise and disincentivize coal mining, freedom ship will be economically viable as a crypto mining operation 17:12 < jrayhawk> coal will run the engines that run from their own smog cloud 17:15 < L29Ah> til http://priceofoil.org/2017/10/03/dirty-energy-dominance-us-subsidies/ 17:19 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 -!- Jayson_Virissimo [~Jayson@ip98-165-142-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 17:39 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-103-159-2.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 < jrayhawk> how dare those monsters in congress provide amortization for coal pollution control 18:09 < jrayhawk> this is one of the more proundly stupid PDFs I have ever read 18:09 < jrayhawk> profoundly 18:21 < adlai> there is absolutely nothing surprising about the cutting edge of 'disruption' being people dealing with the most unsexy side of fintech 18:21 < adlai> nobody wants their wallet to cost more than the garbage inside it. 18:24 < adlai> how complicated can it be to melt coal, anyway? 18:24 * adlai recalls, back when he was both young and stupid, getting quite annoyed that adults couldn't explain why you can't melt wood 18:24 < adlai> "because it catches fire", lol no shit, WHY 18:25 < L29Ah> your adults suck at chemistry and that's it :P 18:25 < adlai> ironically enough, that conversation happened quite close to "isn't Photoshop amazing? you don't have to work in darkrooms anymore" 18:35 < jrayhawk> yeah, a few megapascals and it'll probably melt just fine 18:38 < adlai> that's the expensive way of melting a line from a thermodynamics textbook. 18:39 < adlai> most industrial processes these days involve doctoring the main garbage with catalysts, so whatever the verb that amalgamates 'melt' and 'dissolve' would be a more correct one to use. 18:41 * adlai goes out on a limb: conslur? adgeal? flusorb? 18:42 < adlai> 'pulverize' has too many syllables for what honestly oughtta be disyllabic. 18:45 < adlai> TMA: what if that's merely an increase in the granularity of intellectual self-assessment? I doubt you've been timing yourself at number theoretic flexes for breakfast; your comment is much more likely subjective and quite possibly wrong. 18:46 < adlai> remember, a) your own intelligence competes with the increasing complexity of the external world, and b) something about bullshit being an order of magnitude easier to generate than literally anything 19:05 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 19:56 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:17 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:08 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uyeiqcwuiqoeunme] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:31 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uyeiqcwuiqoeunme] has quit [] 23:05 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gefcxzvgrzrtpzkz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Thu Mar 18 00:00:59 2021