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06:44 < jrayhawk> three years in prison strikes me as an okay deal to secure your place in the history of biology itself
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12:16 < muurkha> fenn: sweet!
12:16 < muurkha> L29Ah: https://sourceforge.net/projects/nut/
12:18 < muurkha> on the blends page popcon recommends Inkscape (6653 users), Blender (716), and Librecad (484) which is odd because Librecad is IIRC 2-D
12:19 < muurkha> not sure what happened to BRL-CAD and FreeCAD
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13:24 < kanzure> https://github.com/facebookresearch/metaseq/blob/main/projects/OPT/chronicles/OPT175B_Logbook.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1SYEN38IY9FvdnN2UQgCOLk0UrpQRj8eR5F6gsesSErC6rcQnCTDMz8GI
13:25 < kanzure> brlcad is still around (as confirmed yesterday due to dream wherein government took it down because of russian war or something)
13:34 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31899781
13:34 < saxo> Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease | Hacker News
13:48 < muurkha> I mean, I'm not sure what happened to the Debian packaging of BRL-CAD and FreeCAD
13:51 < L29Ah> i suspect that the last person who understood how to use BRL-CAD have died
13:52 < L29Ah> but i personally know a debian user of FreeCAD (through some docker abomination)
14:02 < kanzure> brlcad people are still available on irc and are not dead
14:02 < nmz787> brlcad even has an IRC channel
14:02 < nmz787> and some web based thing which is decent
14:02 < nmz787> tulip I think
14:02 < kanzure> o rly?
14:03 < nmz787> sorry, zulip https://brlcad.zulipchat.com/login/
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14:20 < L29Ah> gentoo has both, don't forget to switch your unmaintainable distro to a good one
14:21 < nmz787> I used to be a gentoo dude
14:21 < nmz787> before I had a life
14:21 < nmz787> lol
14:22 < L29Ah> i'm still a debian dude, on VPSs and SBCs where its plentiful shortcomings in niche areas don't matter
14:23 < muurkha> I switched from Slackware to Debian late last millennium
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14:46 < nmz787> is it still abortion if a mother manages to stop feeding a fetus?
14:46 < nmz787> the arguments I'm seeing now for anti-abortion are "the baby isn't YOUR body" 
14:47 < nmz787> and these are people that don't seem to understand calculus like 'area under the curve' in terms of pain of a fetus dying, vs pain experienced through an entire life of suffering the human condition
14:49 < nmz787> so if you can't justify not bringing unwanted children into the world, because of long-term pain/suffering (which to me just shows more short-sightedness in common prevalence)...   and you can't justify MY BODY MY CHOICE because baby != YOUR body... welll, what if the mother stops feeding the fetus? Is that now kicking the can down to child abuse (starvation)?
14:49 < nmz787> and if so, how would intervention even work? C-section and then incubator?
14:51 < nmz787> I have a feeling the opponents would just say "you were too short-sighted to avoid pregnancy, and now you're responsible"
14:52 < nmz787> too many god memes now, that seem to have no relevance like "god knew who you were and your days before you were conceived" which says nothing about god knowing the fetus wouldn't see the light of day 
14:53 < nmz787> I'm not sure I want to be on social media anymore, but I'm afraid of missing out on interesting stuff
14:53 < nmz787> maybe I should just de-friend my family :P
14:54 < docl> I can relate
14:55 < kanzure> maybe just start freezing fetuses
14:55 < docl> ok so if we want 0 abortions the easy way is 0 conceptions... so everyone gets an implant at puberty that delivers a controlled dose of birth control drugs, problem solved right?
14:55 < kanzure> early embryo freezing should work without much fuss but later stage fetal cryonics is more difficult
14:56 < muurkha> why wait until puberty?  you could use the implant to delay puberty as far as desired and even choose your gender
14:56 < docl> sue the govt to provide free cryonics to moms who die from not getting an abortion they needed
14:56 < muurkha> or, well, whoever controls the implant could.  morally this ought to be the person whose body it's in, but that's kind of the whole issue, isn't it?
14:56 < docl> hmm, yeah could just insert it at birth
14:57 < muurkha> birth might have complications
14:57 < docl> yeah
14:58 < nmz787> on another topic, is there any known downside to endogenous melanin production?
14:58 < nmz787> not like in a racist tone, but like, if I wanted to try upping my melanin somehow
14:58 < muurkha> melanoma?
14:58 < nmz787> hrmm
14:59 < muurkha> I don't actually know if having more melanocytes increases or decreases your risk of melanoma
14:59 < muurkha> naturally
14:59 < nmz787> I got sunburned yesterday, and my indian wife didn't, and I feel so broken genetically
14:59 < muurkha> I feel you
14:59 < nmz787> my skin doesn't even give a decent warning sign that it's time to get shade
15:00 < muurkha> whatever the state is for natural melanin endowments, I'm pretty sure that if you stimulate your existing inadequate quantity of melanocytes to reproduce wildly in order to improve your protection from sunburn (and worsen your protection from cobalamin deficiency and hypercholesterolemia, I suppose) that will increase the risk of melanoma
15:01 < muurkha> but maybe if you could persuade some of your other skin cells to convert themselves into melanocytes that would be safe
15:01 < docl> "White-skinned people are about 70 times more likely to develop skin cancer than individuals with black skin, which suggests that pigmentation is a key risk factor in skin cancer."
15:01 < docl> https://skincancer.net/clinical/melanin-risk-factors
15:01 < muurkha> wow, that's not even close
15:01 < muurkha> Surgeon General's Warning: whiteness is hazardous to your health
15:02 < muurkha> the RR is more than three times that of cigarettes for lung cancer!
15:02 < nmz787> basically white people are broken and should be shunned
15:02 < nmz787>  endowments, I'm pretty sure that if you stimulate your existing inadequate quantity of melanocytes to 
15:02 < nmz787>                  reproduce wildly in order to improve your protection from sunburn (and worsen your protection from cobalamin deficiency and hypercholesterolemia, 
15:02 < muurkha> even if you could persuade non-melanocyte skin cells to express melanin I bet it would help a lot.  as long as you were able to avoid, like, expressing it in your cornea
15:03 < nmz787> https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-discovered-a-chemical-that-causes-any-skin-type-to-tan
15:03 < docl> only cuts the amount of UV in half, but I guess the relationship is nonlinear
15:03 < nmz787> .wik forskolin
15:03 < saxo> "Forskolin (coleonol) is a labdane diterpene produced by the plant Coleus barbatus (Blue Spur Flower). Other names include pashanabhedi, Indian coleus, makandi, HL-362, mao hou qiao rui hua." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forskolin
15:03 < muurkha> mmm, foreskin
15:03 < nmz787> that's what I thought
15:03 < nmz787> https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(17)30684-8
15:03 < muurkha> imagine my embarrassment at learning what "forskning" actually means
15:03 < nmz787> .title
15:03 < saxo> Just a moment...
15:04 < muurkha> sounds like a MITM attack
15:04 < nmz787> "Once application ceased, the colour faded back to normal within about two weeks as new skin replaced the old, tanned cells."
15:06 < nmz787> huh
15:06 < nmz787> .g HG 9-91-01
15:06 < saxo> https://www.medchemexpress.com/HG-9-91-01.html
15:06 < nmz787> seemingly available ??
15:06 < nmz787> pfft, $1500 for 100mg
15:13 < muurkha> hmm, I didn't realize skin cells were so short lived
15:18 < muurkha> how is it that skin cancer is even a thing then?  it doesn't metastasize within two weeks
15:18 < muurkha> or, how is it that birthmarks and freckles last more than two weeks?
15:26 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1hyY7qoP4o
15:26 < saxo> Mock Human sacrifice ceremony at CERN Geneva campus - YouTube
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