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00:39 < L29Ah> is tongue brushing effective at delaying the colonization of cleaned teeth surface by the annoying bacteria?
00:44 < muurkha> i've often wondered that
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12:41 < fenn> .title http://longevitylist.com/
12:41 < saxo> Longevity List - Find jobs, companies, and investors in the longevity industry
12:42 < fenn> better interface page http://longevitylist.com/explore/
12:46 < kanzure> what about friends
13:02 < muurkha> they increase longevity
13:04 < muurkha> Muaddib: what is the effect of friends on longevity?
13:04 < Muaddib> muurkha: It's a very positive effect, actually.
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13:08 < fenn> Muaddib: what should i do to find more longevity friends?
13:09 < Muaddib> fenn: Just be nice to people, and they'll be nice to you.
13:09 < fenn> Muaddib: got any more specific advice?
13:09 < Muaddib> fenn: No, but if you find some, let me know.
13:10 < kanzure> meanwhile, GPT-3 answers: "There are a number of things you can do to find more friends interested in life extension technologies, longevity, and immortality. You can start by joining online communities and forums dedicated to these topics. You can also attend events and conferences related to life extension and meet like-minded people there. Additionally, you can read books and articles about ...
13:10 < kanzure> ...life extension and watch videos and documentaries on the topic. Finally, you can reach out to organizations and individuals working on life extension research and ask them for advice and recommendations."
13:10 < kanzure> haha reading books as a way to make friends, nice
13:11 < fenn> gotta not look like an idiot outsider i guess
13:11 < fenn> step 3 hack into the secret discord channel
13:11 < fenn> i still haven't done my braindump from longevity summer camp, sorry
13:12 < kanzure> https://discord.com/invite/ftSbffu
13:14 < kanzure> "Hi everyone, I'm going to be building out the Longevity Tech Tree tomorrow (Tuesday) at 5 PM Pacific time, and will repeat weekly.  I'll be in one of the voice channels and will record the build session which will last at least an hour but possibly longer.  I'm looking for bored PhD students, enthusiasts, and anyone else who wants to participate." https://foresight.org/ext/ForesightTechTree/
13:15 < kanzure> weird javascripty interface
13:15 < fenn> i was working on something like that many years ago
13:16 < fenn> theirs is kind of a mess
13:16 < fenn> not an A leads to B leads to C sort of tree
13:17 < fenn> this is more like a mind map
13:19 < muurkha> kanzure: yeah, pasky's clever-retort prompt tends to cut a lot of things short
13:20 < muurkha> reading books about life extension can be a way to make friends in three different ways:
13:20 < muurkha> 1. learning the shibboleths, as fenn says, so that people peg you as ingroup
13:21 < fenn> huh FourFire is a mod on that discord
13:21 < muurkha> 2. email the authors
13:21 < fenn> email is dead. long live email!
13:26 < kanzure> kanzure> Where are your tech tree meetings?
13:26 < kanzure> aaron> its online
13:26 < kanzure> kanzure: Yes. Where are your tech tree meetings?
13:26 < kanzure> people, man....
13:27 < fenn> the net is vast and infinite
13:28 < kanzure> aaron> on the healthspan server, I'll be in the voice chat channel
13:34 < fenn> well shit there are a lot of people there
13:35 < kanzure> maybe they will know some good online pharmacies with the juicy stuff.
13:36 < muurkha> 3. reading books at parties or in cafés can inspire people to talk to you about the book
13:39 < pasky> that never happenned to me :(
13:40 < pasky> (maybe reading paper books helps?)
13:41 < kanzure> happened on a plane to me recently
13:41 < kanzure> i was reading grid granny's book "shorting the grid" and a walker came by saying his career was in the power industry
13:44 < muurkha> pasky: yeah, paper books works a little better because people can see the title, and reading paper books over someone's shoulder is only considered mildly annoying
13:45 < muurkha> while reading someone's cellphone over their shoulder might instead come off as creepy stalker abuser behavior, depending on your social circles
13:45 < muurkha> a couple of years ago I struck up a conversation with a cute young woman on the bus about the casual game she was playing on her phone
13:45 < muurkha> after we chatted for a while she volunteered her instagram
13:46 < muurkha> I hope she wasn't disappointed that I didn't add her because I don't use instagram.  I probably should have mentioned that at the time
13:46 < muurkha> but I was getting off the bus so I was kind of in a hurry
13:46 < muurkha> anyway, if you read a book over someone's shoulder they won't think you're trying to see their boyfriend's/girlfriend's nudes
13:47 < muurkha> also I think this depends a lot on the party you're at
13:51 < fenn> "reading books at parties" is doing parties wrong
13:52 < muurkha> I like going to the kind of parties where reading books is accepted
13:52 < fenn> i couldn't get the laser printer to work so i printed out my contact info on the label maker
13:52 < muurkha> now you can stick it to your forehead
13:52 < muurkha> that way if you get lost, whoever finds you will know where to return you to
13:53 < fenn> i just handed out little strips with the peel off backing still attached
13:53 < fenn> it's just phone, email, and website
13:53 < fenn> it's not like i belong anywhere :(
13:53 < muurkha> :(
13:53 < muurkha> I should try printing out contact info on refrigerator magnet stock
13:54 < fenn> "that guy that ruined my credit card!"
13:54 < L29Ah> 21:42:11]<fenn> better interface page http://longevitylist.com/explore/
13:54 < L29Ah> either it's broken or so fat that it couldn't get through my LTE in a minute
13:55 < kanzure> "Haploidy in somatic cells is induced by mature oocytes in mice" https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03040-5
13:55 < kanzure> via my grandmother
13:58 < fenn> lots o
13:58 < fenn> L29Ah: lots o AJAX to make it work
13:59 < kanzure> "They are betting that this method [somatic cell nuclear transfer], while older, will prove better than the induced pluripotent stem cell technologies currently being advanced by artificial egg-making start-up outfits like Conception, Ivy Natal and Gameto."
13:59 < kanzure> "The group’s work on in vitro gametogenesis (IVG) in human cells is being made possible by an award from Open Philanthropy — a grant-making organization primarily funded by Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz and his wife Cari Tuna — which will supply the researchers with $4 million over the next three years."
14:03 < kanzure> "We also generate embryonic stem cells and live offspring from somatic-sperm embryos"
14:32 < fenn> which group? that nature paper has people from all over the world
14:33 < fenn> Oregon Health & Science University group led by pioneering fertility researcher Shoukrat Mitalipov
14:33 < fenn> Mitalipov directs the Center for Embryonic Cell and Gene Therapy at OHSU. Established in 2013, the center focuses on combining assisted reproductive technologies with genetic correction techniques, with the goal of one day preventing inherited disease.
14:34 < fenn> from https://www.statnews.com/2022/07/28/abandoned-technique-revived-in-effort-to-make-artificial-human-eggs/
14:38 < fenn> discord has this weird thing going on where people have zero info about themselves in their profile, which makes sense in some contexts, but then in other contexts you have to have your professional persona on, so you have to pay them to use a different face for each context
14:39 < fenn> it's like they're profiting off the desire for privacy directly
14:39 < fenn> maybe privacy isn't even the right word
14:39 < fenn> anyway i really don't like having control over which info goes where
14:39 < fenn> having no control*
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17:21 < pasky> fenn: another way to phrase it is that you have to pay them to maintain a professional persona, which kinda doesn't sound that unfair (plus you can just have multiple discord sessions open i guess, can't you?)
17:23 < fenn> hmph
17:23 < fenn> it's also a safety issue
17:24 < fenn> most people are really bad at cyberstalking so they don't know how far a tidbit of info can go
17:25 < pasky> hence they typically have zero info about themselves in their profile .. :)
17:25 < pasky> sorry i feel like i'm aruging and i'm not even sure why
17:25 < pasky> maybe b/c it's past my bedtime, g'nite!
17:25 < fenn> rawr! no U!
17:26 < fenn> good night pasky
17:26  * fenn steps on a squeaky floorboard and winces
17:37 < L29Ah> TIL ukraine has a gerontology institute, but they don't make a good job at keeping their web site up to date
17:37 < kanzure> L29Ah: antonio regalado figured out that's who where my lab was :|
17:37 < kanzure> because i forgot to strip EXIF data from some photos
17:39 < L29Ah> i've looked at the map and wow, that's where i've done my MRIs
17:40 < L29Ah> but the MRI frontend company was called something else
17:59 < fenn> people never let you know when ou can stop keeping a secret
17:59 < fenn> i try to minimize the number of secrets kept because keeping track of them is a huge overhead
18:03 < L29Ah> tell them they have to pay each month for the secret-keeping
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18:16 < fenn> not a bad idea
18:16 < fenn> once they give me teh sekritz they can't refuse!
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18:21 < L29Ah> Muaddib: do you know any secrets?
18:21 < Muaddib> L29Ah: if i did tell you that then it wouldnt be a secret would it?
18:21 < L29Ah> Muaddib: no, it would still be a secret, as the existence of a secret doesn't reaveal its contents
18:21 < Muaddib> L29Ah: well if that was the case then you wouldnt need to keep it a secret then would you?
18:40 < jrayhawk> https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1552662721124081664 our giger-esque necromechanical future has arrived
18:40 < fenn> .tw
18:40 < saxo> Researchers have turned dead spiders into necrobotic grippers capable of lifting items that weigh more than 100 times their own body weight. https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1552662668326092800/vid/720x720/mKdG4GamTcAv_Ti0.mp4?tag=14 (@CBSNews)
18:40 < fenn> wow  that was more accurate a summary than i expected
18:42 < L29Ah> tl;dw: no electronics involved
18:44 < fenn> wet spider mass or dry spider mass
18:45 < fenn> Muaddib: please enumerate the necrobotic uses for dead humans
18:45 < Muaddib> fenn: 1) corpses as cheap Date Farm workers.  2) Bodies as a source of meat for consumption.  3) Use of human waste as a fertilizer.  4) Use of human hair for cheap wig production.  5) Use of human skin for cheap leather production.  6) Use of human bones
18:46 < fenn> Muaddib: do i want to know what Date Farm is?
18:46 < Muaddib> fenn: no.
18:46 < fenn> Muaddib: every writing studio needs a bot like you, old buddy old pal
18:46 < Muaddib> fenn: I'm not your buddy, old pal.
18:47 < fenn> Muaddib: what are the professional responsibilities of a Date Farm worker?
18:47 < Muaddib> fenn: I'm not your date, old pal.
18:48 < fenn> now it's holding a grudge
18:51 < L29Ah> Muaddib: what are easily available weights for managing buoyancy in saltwater freediving?
18:51 < Muaddib> L29Ah: I'm not your buoy, old pal.
18:51 < L29Ah> yeah it has a certain failure mode apparently
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22:25 < L29Ah> boiled a kilogram of sprats, ate two and was too disgusted to continue
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22:25 < L29Ah> bought another bottle of flaxseed oil, bitter AF again
22:27 < fenn> try pumpkin seeds?
22:27 < L29Ah> fenn: what do i do with pumpkin seeds?
22:28 < fenn> eat them. 7-10% omega-3 although it is not DHA of course
22:28 < L29Ah> 10% is tiny, and bioavailability is shit
22:29 < L29Ah> i should think more towards the sprat route, maybe i can learn cooking them so they're not as annoying to eat
22:30 < L29Ah> i think i can extract oil from sprats by blendering the boiled fishes and then keeping it hot for some time for the fat to float, but that would be a waste of a great protein source
22:30 < fenn> i tried blendering some frozen broccoli and felt really sick after eating it
22:30 < fenn> never figured that one out
22:30 < fenn> it was warm, didn't taste like horseradish or anything odd
22:31 < jrayhawk> plant the bird food, eat the human food that grows from it
22:31 < L29Ah> jrayhawk: birds don't have much omega3
22:31 < fenn> the pumpkins presumably
22:31 < fenn> a sprat is a herring?
22:31 < jrayhawk> i may not have a degree in biology, but i do not think birds grow from pumpkin seeds
22:31 < L29Ah> and i would prefer to have DHA to be on the safe side
22:32 < fenn> maybe closer to a sardine
22:32 < L29Ah> https://tinystash.undef.im/il/2nMnP1jfxFqW9u2BnBRzndUTLV2i7BdDzPT5SKp3oW4RCLgjXjAfapuYVdmnnKECFY4CmkCUUQqGLHZaC925dXpu.jpg
22:37 < L29Ah> fenn: 78% of specific omega3 content of a herring
22:38 < fenn> doubt
22:38 < fenn> oh, it's 78% as good as a herring?
22:38 < fenn> that sounds more plausible than being 78% oil by mass
22:38 < L29Ah> yes
23:43 < nmz787> L29Ah: is LTE your primary internet connection?
23:52 < nmz787> muurkha: damn, I wish I'd have taken books to all the parties I used to go to
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