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06:30 < kanzure> webassembly's ABI (WASI) does not make a lot of sense to me; there's like a conflict between browser/WebAPI ABI and "we need an ABI like a typical OS to emulate normal software".
06:32 < muurkha> what do you mean?
06:34 < kanzure> WASI's filesystem interface does not look like a filesystem
06:35 < kanzure> https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-filesystem
06:35 < kanzure> this sounds like the wrong idea to me: "WASI filesystem is a WASI API primarily for accessing host filesystems"
06:35 < kanzure> instead it should be a filesystem...
06:37 < kanzure> there should be some way to do persistent file-based storage and file manipulation, and bringing in host files can be a separate operation
06:37 < kanzure> s/bringing in/bridging or linking
06:39 < kanzure> huh, there seems to be no open-source verilog implementation of JVM on github
06:41 < lsneff> There’s certainly no closed source implementation of a jvm in verilog either
06:41 < kanzure> huh? so javacard or the sun chips never implemented jvm?
06:42 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_processor
06:42 < kanzure> some webassembly attempts: https://github.com/lastmjs/wasm-metal https://github.com/piranna/wasmachine https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/1050
06:43 < lsneff> Ah, I was familiar with jazelle, which falls back to software for complex things
06:43 < lsneff> Wasm is not designed in such a way that would be easy to interpret in hardware
06:45 < kanzure> yeah... i think it would have to be a JIT accelerator or something.
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06:59 < lsneff> It would be easy to accelerate wasm with some extra instructions
07:00 < lsneff> Putting memory ops with bounds checks into hardware would go a long way
07:01 < lsneff> Of course, they probably don’t slow down modern superscalar hardware much, but they do reduce code density
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10:27 < kanzure> paid search engine https://kagi.com/
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11:46 < fenn> i thoght crawling was the expensive part of search, not serving queries
11:46 < fenn> crawling and building the index
11:47 < kanzure> pay-per-query is an easy way for users to think about it, how would you explaing paying for crawls?
11:50 < superkuh> Google certainly acts like queries are expensive. http://googlesearchonlyreturns400results.lol/
11:55 < fenn> you registered a domain just to point that out?
11:57 < fenn> *.lol must be cheap
11:58 < superkuh> Yes. I was pissed off enough to spend $1.88 and 30 minutes setting it up. The registrar made me go through a manual interview to justify the use of the "google" word before they'd let me.
11:59 < Molly_Lucy> xD
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12:46 < fenn> is biobricks dead?
12:46 < fenn> partsregistry.org doesn't respond, so i don't see how you're supposed to actually use it
12:47 < fenn> their webpages are all very fluffy an public relations oriented, rather than something a real user would want
12:48 < fenn> like, where is the "download" link? https://biobricks.org/bionet/
13:05 < muurkha> lsneff: in general CPUs fall back to software for complex things, that's not unique to jazelle
13:06 < muurkha> sometimes they call it "microcode"
13:25 < kanzure> fenn: maybe http://parts.igem.org/Main_Page
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18:09 < ^ditto> [freenode] <Alex_Slayer> @drewbot microeconomics
18:13 < L29Ah> Muaddib: what do you think of microeconomics?
18:13 < Muaddib> L29Ah: I don't care how it feels, my mother is not using that drug.
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