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09:09 < kanzure> https://www.turingchurch.com/p/the-extropian-roots-of-cryptoeconomics
09:09 < kanzure> they really do be coasting on the "meet the extropians" wired magazine article all these years huh
09:10 < kanzure> the crowning achievement of the extropians
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10:22 < nsh> kanzure, have you convinced the DOJ they have no business in Germany yet?
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11:02 < kanzure> https://rdi.berkeley.edu/zkp-workshop-2022/
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15:12 < maaku> pasky: the idea of "nuclear winter" predates current climate models and was based on some shaky back-of-the-envelope calculations
15:13 < maaku> sorry meant muurkha/TMA
15:15 < maaku> turns out (1) airburst nuclear weapons don't kick up enough particulate matter; and (2) even if they did it wouldn't result in nuclear winter
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15:18 < maaku> on the other hand, it is a great example of a scientific belief never critically examined by the mainstream because it too conveniently aligned with the views of most scientists
15:19 < maaku> like there was never any evidence for it, ever. just some guy spitballing in the early days. but people accept it and ran with it because it was evidence that nuclear war was bad
15:21 < pasky> maaku: that's what i thought but there is also still research published in journals with good peer review practices (assumed) that doesn't align with what you did
15:21 < pasky> so it seems to remain controversial, far from disproven
15:24 < maaku> pasky: I see. I'm skimming the wikipedia article. I was current up to 2018, when the black carbon/soot theory was disproven
15:24 < maaku> but it looks like that's controversial as you say
15:26 < pasky> i'm still leaning towards inertia and publication bias but i'm not an expert in the field
15:27 < maaku> same same
15:28 < maaku> I mean we know "nuclear winter" happened with vulcanism in the past, but a key distinguisher is that bombs are an impulse event vs years-long vulcanism
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18:37 < muurkha> maaku: it looks pretty undecided still
18:38 < muurkha> certainly there is a lot of stuff that got wide distribution on fairly weak evidence
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22:01 < fenn> “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
22:02 < fenn> lots of artists complaining about stable diffusion etc
22:04 < fenn> .yt http://youtu.be/tjSxFAGP9Ss and transcript https://docs.google.com/document/d/128yey0VfYhM9eUdvkvCpk5zvvoIkqXfI4hEPAYeJCHU/export?format=txt
22:04 < Muaddib> [tjSxFAGP9Ss] The End of Art: An Argument Against Image AIs (47:31)
22:04 < fenn> (tl;dw)
22:09 < fenn> not "that" kind of "unsafe AI", the kind that people can use to make dirty images: https://eshoo.house.gov/media/press-releases/eshoo-urges-nsa-ostp-address-unsafe-ai-practices
22:09 < fenn> killer robots are okay though, apparently
22:11 < fenn> "images that potentially violate corporate copyright"
22:15 < fenn> when you outlaw unrestricted AI, only outlaws will have unrestricted AI...
22:46 < fenn> .tw https://twitter.com/Droktulft/status/1583260906989187073
22:46 < saxo> I saw a very stupid prompt shared... but then I tried... this image is made ONLY with NEGATIVE weights #stablediffusionart #StableDiffussion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfjfC-UXgAAtsyJ.jpg (@Droktulft)
23:16 < maaku> fenn: that quote makes me almost want to read dune
23:19 < maaku> it's interesting that AI art demonstrates what every first-year art student knows: hands are a fucking bitch to draw
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23:43 < fenn> there are some negative prompts that apparently clear up some of those problems, like not-{deformity, bad anatomy} and so on. i'm still learning about prompts
23:44 < fenn> just a dumb meme https://i.redd.it/c9nosqvwv2w91.jpg
23:49 < fenn> https://publicprompts.art/
23:54 < fenn> jeez there are some crazy good outputs on here https://promptbase.com/
23:56 < fenn> like i didn't realize that midjourney was capable of this kind of boringly photorealistic image: https://promptbase.com/prompt/editorial-style-food-photography
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