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00:16 < fenn> i wonder what the legal status of prompts is
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01:25 < maaku> It is ironic that the people who argue that generative AI outputs don't infringe on their outputs are the same people trying to copyright prompts.
01:35 < fenn> Lotus v Borland "If specific words are essential to operate something, then they are part of a. 'method of operation' and, as such, are unprotectable.This is so whether they must be highlighted, typed in, or even spoken, as computer programs no doubt will soon be controlled by spoken words."
01:36 < fenn> this was about copyrighting commands like "Copy" "Print" "Quit"
01:39 < fenn> it seems pretty clear that a prompt would qualify as a "method of operation" which is excluded from copyright by 17 U.S.C. Section 102(b)
01:48 < fenn> some of these prompts are hilariously long https://prompthero.com/prompt/b38b3920732
01:48 < fenn> who the hell came up with "computational complexity of insanely long staircases and deep passages"
01:59 < Malvolio> maybe visual or spatial thinker or someone who roams around architectural and terrain features in their mind or dreams and wants to see how the machine represents them in art!
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02:07 < Malvolio> like this one time i had an especially beautiful and vivid dream and woke up wishing that i could paint but knowing there's no way i can generate art that would adequately represent it or it would take so much more time and patience than available
02:14 < Malvolio> (there's ought to be an ai prompt thingy these days to use in such case!)
02:42 < juri_> i'm watching the copyright drama around github copilot with great interest. its almost enough to make me want to pull my projects from github.
02:43 < juri_> you know, if this goes in the direction that "of you upload it, our bot can spit it out".
02:44 < juri_> not that my projects are important or stuff.. but a lot of the code i'm writing nowadays is on the edge of what people understand, and i certainly want the protection of the license on what i produce.
02:45 < juri_> this might be getting into the "we need an AGPLv4" territory, tho. just depends how the law breaks.
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03:00 < maaku> juri_: it is already at the point of "if you upload it, our bot can spit it out"
03:00 < maaku> just moving somewhere else is no protection though
03:09 < juri_> yeaah. that's why i'm hoping for some license protection.
03:09 < juri_> because that is certainly a use of my work i did not authorize.
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03:39 < maaku> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjgjtAk-lws
03:39 < Muaddib> [HjgjtAk-lws] Eric Drexler | MSEP: What, Why, and How? (34:35)
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08:16 < docl> juri_: you can self host using fossil relatively trivially. It's not great for bazaar style in its current form, but great for cathedral style
08:17 < docl> Not that this will automatically mean it never ends up on github
08:30 < docl> maaku: they were talking about the godot engine in clasp chat the other day, apparently related to this talk
08:50 < kanzure> https://www.facebook.com/josiah.zayner/posts/pfbid026KLfCyDiSioGkPnUXiLbjgv4dSyo2XY7jNzbARqbJnStnrDkm6NVQTiBUcrtxidul
10:39 < docl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ViQDjDx2Y
10:39 < Muaddib> [52ViQDjDx2Y] Hein-Pieter van Braam, JJ, Ben-Joseph, Eric Drexler | MSEP (11:07)
10:48 < docl> schafmeister question: https://youtu.be/52ViQDjDx2Y?t=376
10:48 < Muaddib> [52ViQDjDx2Y] Hein-Pieter van Braam, JJ, Ben-Joseph, Eric Drexler | MSEP (11:07)
10:51 < docl> basically "why don't you use cando? I spent 30 years shaving this yak"
10:55 < docl> I just messaged HP asking him to stop by and plug the project here
11:36 < docl> s/him/them
11:47 < fenn> i dont know how to link to a comment on facebook but this seemed like the one worth reading from the post that kanzure linked: http://fennetic.net/irc/rich_lee_2022_fail.png
13:32 < docl> https://youtu.be/_gXiVOmaVSo?t=857
13:32 < Muaddib> [_gXiVOmaVSo] Shawn Douglas, UCSF | Nanoscale Instruments for Visualizing Small Proteins (28:12)
13:33 < docl> Brett Victor demo of their molecular modeling ui
15:04 < muurkha> yeah, but start at 14:00 or so
16:17 < L29Ah> > spent $20k on a sex toy
16:17 < L29Ah> > complains about metformin+hgh+dhea being too expensive for rejuvenation and perpetual poverty
16:18  * L29Ah wishes to have $20k to throw around on sex toys
16:20 < L29Ah> in moscow, a month of metformin + dhea + daily ghrp-6 injections cost under $50 i think
16:22 < muurkha> wow, can you get them just for asking or is there some kind of bureaucratic process?
16:22 < L29Ah> no bureaucracy
16:22 < L29Ah> not even darknet
16:22 < muurkha> that's great!
16:24 < L29Ah> and if you dislike .ru, i'm 90% sure it's the same in kyiv
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22:32 < maaku> getting normal services in kyiv right now might be difficult
23:59 < nmz787> I also saw that comment from Rich, pretty crazy
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