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07:31 < kanzure> hmph
08:12 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3cL4nrGOk
08:12 < Muaddib> [Uo3cL4nrGOk] Interview with Senior JS Developer in 2022 (5:28)
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08:51 < docl> apparently tcl was at one time a contender for client side scripts, but I'm not sure there's a version for modern browsers. the doc pages still mention netscape
08:52 < docl> not being c-style probably killed interest in it is my guess
09:04 < muurkha> yeah, I don't think the Tcl plugin got updated for modern browsers
09:05 < muurkha> I wrote a Tcl-plugin applet: http://canonical.org/~kragen/slide-rule.tcl
09:07 < muurkha> last millennium.  you can still run it in wish if you download it
09:09 < muurkha> I don't think the problem was "not being C-style".  I think the problem is that (a) Tcl is kind of a shitty programming language and (b) Sun decided it wanted to focus on Java, and the Tcl stuff made people more reluctant to invest in Java applets (which was the whole Java story until about 02001)
09:45 < muurkha> 16:42 < mithro> More chances to get free silicon taped out! 
09:45 < muurkha>                 https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/10/announcing-globalfoundries-open-mpw-shuttle-program.html
09:49 < docl> looks like it comes bundled in palemoon. I'll check out your applet
09:51 < muurkha> the Tcl plugin comes bundled in palemoon!?
09:58 < muurkha> the division by 2 in the dragging was because my shitty serial-port mouse could only move even numbers of pixels
09:59 < docl> hmm. I thought it did, but no luck getting your applet to run. maybe there's a trick to it
09:59 < muurkha> maybe I have to configure the server to serve it up with a particular content-type
09:59 < muurkha> Content-Type: text/x-tcl
09:59 < muurkha> is how it's being served up now
10:00 < muurkha> it eventually turned out to be a mouse driver bug.  for whatever reason it was handling each mouse event twice.
10:01 < muurkha> anyway you can run it in wish if you want
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10:02 < muurkha> this globalfoundries thing is 180nm 
10:02 < muurkha> but they seem to be focused on digital?  why would you do digital in 180nm in 02022?
10:03 < muurkha> if you're doing digital, wouldn't you be better off doing it with an FPGA fabbed in a ten-year-old process node like 32nm than an ASIC fabbed in a process from literally the previous millennium?
10:09 < docl> not quite sure how I got that impression about palemoon. should still work with firefox in theory
10:14 < docl> both firefox and palemoon say the plugin appears to be corrupt :(
10:15 < muurkha> huh
10:25 < docl> here's a more modern attempt, but only dates back to 2014 https://core.tcl-lang.org/wtk/index
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11:13 < docl> ok here's a tcl/tk web app thingy that works in 02022: https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/CloudTk
11:14 < docl> sadly it seems to work by vnc rather than anything reasonable
11:18 < muurkha> heh
11:19 < muurkha> firefox still has a plugin API, right?
11:19 < docl> yeah it does
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23:20 < fenn> wish there were more activities / inteventions in this format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort#Chronic_risks 
23:20 < fenn> somehow this is harder to understand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife
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