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03:07 < jrayhawk> has a micromort ever been used in a context that wasn't the most embarassing sort of scientism
03:08 < jrayhawk> wherein the more technical and exacting the quantification, the more the essential meaninglessness of the underlying data is concealed?
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06:52 < muurkha> jrayhawk: nobody who thinks the answer is "yes" is going to reply to you so you can ridicule them ;)
06:54 < muurkha> well, I will, I guess.  I think the difference between 2 and 3 micromorts is probably pretty questionable but in most situations a 1000-micromort activity is riskier than an 0.001-micromort activity
06:54 < muurkha> and this is often not obvious until you do the calculation
06:54 < jrayhawk> where's an example of this?
06:55 < jrayhawk> i mean, in natural usage, not contrived
06:57 < kanzure> "In another recent case here in Israel, a woman was mistakenly implanted with an unrelated fetus. [...] In the current Israeli case, the real biological parents are unknown. Following a public fight between the gestational mother the purported genetic parents, a court ordered a genetic test to determine parenthood. That test ultimately confounded the issue by ruling out a genetic relationship ...
06:57 < kanzure> ...with the other parents."
06:59 < kanzure> orphaned before being born, nice
06:59 < kanzure> or double-bastard child?
06:59 < darsie> Abort?
07:03 < darsie> In human prenatal development, fetal development begins from the ninth week after fertilization (or eleventh week gestational age) and continues until birth.
07:03 < darsie> I guess they meant embry.
07:03 < darsie> o
07:24 < lsneff> That landing will never get old
07:49 < kanzure> falcon?
08:00 < darsie> heavy
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09:00 < kanzure> optimizely co-founder doing a perpetual self-surveillance search product https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33421751
09:01 < kanzure> why is this a desktop application? why not glasses?
09:56 < maaku> ah, I missed it :(
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11:24 < fenn> little embryo jesus
11:29 < fenn> "The Entire History of You - Episode aired Dec 18, 2011 - In the near future, everyone has access to a memory implant that records everything they do, see and hear. You need never forget a face again - but is that always a good thing?"
11:30 < fenn> that was pretty early. i was working on QS gadgets to do this stuff around then (2011) and i don't think it was really in the zeitgeist
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13:40 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/Willyintheworld/status/1587243293137567749
13:40 < saxo> 12/ I cover these topics, and much more (embryo selection with polygenic scores, reproductive aging...) in the whitepaper. Highly recommend using ctrl+f to find the sections you're interested and shoot me a DM if you want to chat! / Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vT1hgf95phUa4e1nqf2VTfjFmUeSBwb7mihE86cU6bE1EI-EZteWm6UmeC18PJSs3Laog4rP7qKtT1j/pub (@Willyintheworld, in reply to tw:1587243291636076544)
13:47 < kanzure> "Isaac Asimov. His usual routine was to awake at 6 A.M., sit down at the typewriter by 7:30 and work until 10 P.M."
14:28 < fenn> it's weird that "published" google docs has no info about who the author is, when it was published, how to download the document, etc.
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21:06 < docl> muurkha: JO blames lack of transitioning to the web for the decline of tcl https://youtu.be/bmSAYlu0NcY?t=3350
21:06 < Muaddib> [bmSAYlu0NcY] A Philosophy of Software Design | John Ousterhout | Talks at Google (61:40)
21:07 < docl> it's a pretty good talk overall
21:09 < docl> I'm thinking of using tcl in my vcs app (I'm thinking p2p github alternative that runs in a browser or on a daemon depending on your preference) as a c-embedded command language. not 100% sure I'll stick with tcl though, could do lisp
21:33 < L29Ah> does tcl still ship a 3-byte per unicode character builds by default?
21:39 < docl> not sure where to look for that information
21:46 < docl> the code I'm seeing seems to involve 4 bytes
21:54 < docl> https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl/TclCmd/encoding.html
21:58 < docl> the default seems to depend on your system encoding. if it's utf-8, it can be 1-3 bytes, if unicode it will be 4
22:05 < maaku> 3-byte utf8 is the basic plane only
22:07 < L29Ah> so yes, not even fancy smileys, no surprise it's not used in modern web!
22:46 < nmz787> muurkha: 180nm is still plenty small, and the process node eliminates a lot of workarounds to optics that increases the number of operations a LOT
22:47 < nmz787> muurkha: stuff like pitch division is completely avoided, stuff like your depth of focus being less critical, cheaper light sources.... all sorts of things go into why you'd still use 180nm (because it's perfectly fine for many things, and it's worth more to use the existing equipment "til the tires fall off" 
23:43 < muurkha> nmz787: but if you're doing digital, wouldn't you be better off using an FPGA fabbed in 32nm instead of an ASIC fabbed in 180nm?
23:45 < muurkha> four times higher clock speed, same or lower power consumption per operation, cheaper part, smaller.  also as a bonus you get reprogrammability but you may not care about that
23:45 < muurkha> well, I guess it's more like the same clock speed and same size given that you're paying the FPGA penalty
23:47 < muurkha> I can understand why you'd use 180nm for analog stuff, you get much lower noise, and for analog circuitry there isn't a universal alternative analogous to an FPGA anyway; you're stuck making your own circuitry
23:48 < muurkha> docl: Lua, Python, and JS have mostly displaced Tcl, Elisp, and Scheme as C-embedded *scripting* languages
23:48 < muurkha> but as Yossi Kreinin points out they are not very good as command languages
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