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16:53 < kanzure> .wik Beggars in Spain
16:53 < saxo> "Beggars in Spain is a 1993 science fiction novel by American writer Nancy Kress. It was originally published as a novella with the same title in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine and as a limited edition paperback by Axolotl Press in 1991." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beggars_in_Spain
16:53 < kanzure> .wik familial natural short sleep
16:53 < saxo> "Familial natural short sleep is a rare, genetic, typically inherited trait where an individual sleeps for less hours than average without suffering from daytime sleepiness or other consequences of sleep deprivation." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familial_natural_short_sleep
16:56 < fenn> "Beggars in Spain and its sequels take place in a future where genetic engineering has become a reality, and society and culture face the consequences of genetic modifications (genemods), particularly in the United States. The story revolves around the existence of the "Sleepless": individuals genetically modified to not need sleep, who have greater potential for intelligence and accomplishment
16:56 < fenn> than ordinary humans"
16:56 < fenn> "what do productive and responsible members of society owe the "beggars in Spain", the unproductive masses who have nothing to offer except need?"
16:57 < kanzure> ybit mentioned first https://gnusha.org/logs/2009-12-08.log
16:58 < fenn> it's a rhetorical question, but before you answer, consider that we're rapidly heading for an ai-assisted mass disruption in employment, if other calamities don't happen first
16:59 < muurkha> an ai-assisted mass disruption in debating the significance of ai
17:01 < fenn> kanzure i think it was on the bookshelf in austin
17:01 < fenn> somehow it was associated with "the brain plague" by joan slonczewski
17:02 < fenn> i have a log entry from 2009 11 08
17:06 < fenn> i must have mentioned at the scifi lunch session at hplus summit 2009-12-05
17:08 < fenn> possibly i got there from a wikipedia dive on charles sheffield who invented the space elevator as we know it, mumble mumble red mars trilogy town of sheffield on the equator at arsia mons 
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17:20 < muurkha> tafting
17:23 < fenn> if you want your tiny community's words to get used, you need a public dictionary keeping track of the etymology so outsiders can understand it
17:24 < fenn> .t https://xkcd.com/214/
17:24 < saxo> xkcd: The Problem with Wikipedia
17:41 < fenn> my folk etymology: Persian taftah "silk or linen cloth," noun use of past participle of taftan "to twist, spin, weave, interlace,"
17:43  * muurkha interlaces fenn
17:43  * fenn self-converts to a progressive scan
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22:20 < superkuh> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.07.515423v1?rss=1 "Age-related changes in 'cortical' 1/f dynamics are explained by cardiac activity"
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