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01:14 < nmz787> https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/t7j9es/just_drew_up_a_reactor_design_for_fischer_tropsch/
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04:56 < kanzure> nmz787: send it along to enzymaticsynthesis@googlegroups.com
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06:10 < kanzure> oh i didn't know max worked at alcor earlier: "While doing a PhD at the University of Southern California, Max got a job at the Alcor Foundation for cryonic preservation, and in 1989 he started a magazine with his fellow philosophy grad, Tom Morrow, called Extropy"
06:18 < kanzure> "he was the first person in Europe to sign up for cryonic suspension with the US firm Alcor." https://www.goertzel.org/benzine/extropians.htm
06:24 < nsh> i wonder how that's going 
06:25 < nsh> --
06:25 < nsh> At that time, we budgeted about $20,000 for preparation of the patient, $80,000 for long-term whole-body care, and $15,000 for long-term neuro care. In practice we often did considerably better than this, since we charged no Or very little labor to each case and basically billed supplies at cost, with virtually no mark-up to cover administration, stocking, spoilage, and Other associated costs of doing business. Thus, the typical charge for performing a 
06:25 < nsh> neurosuspension (i.e., up-front costs, including perfusion and cooling to liquid nitrogen temperature) was in the $6,000 to $7,000 range, while for whole body patients it was in the $10,000 to $12,000 range; well within budget.
06:25 < nsh> -- https://www.alcor.org/library/cost-of-cryonics/
06:25 < nsh> how do you even come up with a pricing model robust against externalities such as inflation or currency crises?
06:25 < nsh> probably by not thinking about it
06:32 < nsh> oh they do, in fairness
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06:32 < nsh> Another factor is inflation. The cost of living — as measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI) — has risen 36% since December of 1982. The medical costs fraction of the CPI has risen even more — a whopping 59% — since 1982 (Source: Consumer Price Index Detailed Report, April 1990, U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics). These factors also (and inherently) touch the cost of cryonics. A direct result of this is the letter copied
06:32 < nsh>  on the previous page, announcing a substantial increase in the cost of LN2. [This price increase was received after this article was written, and it and its effects are omitted in this article. — Eds.]
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08:19 < Malvolio> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/21/health/30-year-old-embryos-twins/index.html
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09:39 < kanzure> time-displaced twin
09:41 < kanzure> or "clone" as we used to call it
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10:20 < kanzure> https://dnastoragealliance.org/
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13:39 < kanzure> "AlphaFold predictions: great hypotheses but no match for experiment" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.21.517405v1
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17:25 < L29Ah> https://www.lifespan.io/campaigns/can-nmn-increase-longevity/ still no paper on pubmed huh
17:25 < L29Ah> does anyone have the password for the lifespan.io results page?
18:27 < pasky> https://www.engadget.com/san-francisco-police-seek-permission-for-its-robots-to-use-deadly-force-183514906.html well that escalates quickly
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21:08 < fenn> https://stability.ai/blog/stable-diffusion-v2-release
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