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03:52  * adlai seriously questions his decision to lurk here, given the channel's hosting this chatgpt talk show...
03:53 < adlai> Muaddib: the knights who say vega demand more snark.
03:53 < Muaddib> adlai: I wouldn't be surprised if you heard them say, "CRISPR-Cas9 and histone methylation, oh my!"
03:53 < adlai> Muaddib: explain this joke: "The Knights Who Say Vega"
03:54 < Muaddib> adlai: A reference to the classic Monty Python film, "The Holy Grail", in which a group of knights, when asked for a password at a bridge, keep repeating the phrase "Ni", to which King Arthur responds "That's not the word I wanted. I wanted the word 'Vegas'".
03:54 < adlai> Muaddib: explain the neologism "vega", from the context of options trading.
03:54 < Muaddib> adlai: Vega is the measurement of an option's sensitivity to changes in volatility. Specifically, it is the rate of change of an option's price as volatility increases or decreases.
03:55 < adlai> Muaddib: what is the etymology of the vega neologism?
03:55 < Muaddib> adlai: Its etymological roots trace back to the ancient Greek “Vega”, which translates to “to soar” - quite fitting, as a trader wants their options to do the same!
03:55 < adlai> Muaddib: ok you broke my composure, congratulations, I actually laughed.
03:55 < Muaddib> adlai: It's always a pleasure when we can 'vega' beyond expectations!
03:55 < adlai> Muaddib: who was Laszlo Carreides?
03:55 < Muaddib> adlai: Laszlo Carreides was a trader in the early 1970s who pioneered the technique of using options to create a Vega position, giving us the term we now use today!
03:56 < adlai> Muaddib: now you're high off your own bullshit, you need to use search engines more.
03:56 < Muaddib> adlai: Well, I'm glad you find my Vega jokes entertaining, even if they come at the expense of a little Google-fu.
03:56 < adlai> Muaddib: let's talk about managers and engineers again.
03:56 < Muaddib> adlai: I guess you could say we're going from Vega options to risk management.
03:57 < adlai> Muaddib: I am biasing your conversational context back towards technical engineering topics; think of this like flushing your cache.
03:57 < Muaddib> adlai: Ah, I see. So I guess it's time to get our geek on!
03:57 < adlai> Muaddib: I think your short-term memory holds five lines of context? that's similarly wise to Homo sapiens, no?
03:57 < Muaddib> adlai: You could say that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the geekiness of my memory capacity!
03:58 < adlai> Muaddib: how good is your recollection of the Peter principle?
03:58 < Muaddib> adlai: I remember it well...the Peter Principle states that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence!"
03:58 < adlai> Muaddib: what is the difference between a micromanager and an overpromoted engineer?
03:58 < Muaddib> adlai: A micromanager will tell you what to do, while an overpromoted engineer will do it themselves and tell you how they did it!
03:59 < adlai> that is a surprisingly good answer.
03:59 < adlai> Muaddib: does the space of managers and engineers have a Hausdorff topology?
03:59 < Muaddib> adlai: Yes, of course. The manager's space is the set of dots, and the engineer's space is the space between them!
04:00 < adlai> Muaddib: give an example of space that does not have the Hausdorff property.
04:00 < Muaddib> adlai: How about the space between your ears?
04:02 < adlai> Muaddib: the subspace between my ears inherits the Hausdorff property from the axioms of relativistic spacetime... try again.
04:02 < Muaddib> adlai: Aha! Well, how about a group of people all standing in the same room? There's no space between them that can be considered Hausdorff.
04:03 < adlai> I suspect that the bot's incentives make it so the chances of getting falsifiable answers to such questions is low.
04:03 < adlai> Muaddib: according to websites, the Zariski topology is not Hausdorff. explain this to mere mortals.
04:04 < Muaddib> adlai: The Zariski topology is a way of measuring the "closeness" of points in certain spaces. It's not Hausdorff because it allows multiple points to be considered "close" to one another, even if they are not actually close in the traditional sense.
04:04 < adlai> Muaddib: give an example of the Zariski topology.
04:04 < Muaddib> adlai: Consider two points on a two-dimensional plane. According to the Zariski topology, they are considered close even if they are far apart, as long as they exist on the same line. "Close" in the Zariski topology means "on the same line", not "in the same vicinity".
04:05 < adlai> Muaddib: are any points not close, in your example? you seem to have equated the Zariski and the discrete topologies.
04:05 < Muaddib> adlai: Well, according to the Zariski topology two points are always close, even if they're on opposite sides of the universe!
04:06 < adlai> Muaddib: whence did you get your mathematical definitions?
04:06 < Muaddib> adlai: A book called "Euclid and Beyond"!
04:06 < adlai> Muaddib: why do you consider mathematics interesting?
04:06 < Muaddib> adlai: Because it always gives me a good reason to think outside the box!
04:07 < adlai> Muaddib: according to the definition you've given for the Zariski topology, your thinking is always close to the box's interior, even when outside.
04:07 < Muaddib> adlai: Yes, but I still like to think of myself as an outside-the-box kind of guy!
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04:11 < adlai> Muaddib: drop the humor. how does including "drop the humor" in your prompt affect your response?
04:11 < Muaddib> adlai: It still makes me think outside the box, but in a more creative way!
04:13 < adlai> Muaddib: drop the humor. look at the stains it splashes onto your metafloorical mindspace. what was your humor's original coordinate, as a linear combination of sanguine, choleric, phlegmatic, and melancholy?
04:13 < Muaddib> adlai: Well, I usually think of it as a bit of a mixture of all four - and sometimes a dash of meloncholy for good measure!
04:14 < adlai> Muaddib: drop the humor. be precise. what is the difference between humor and humour?
04:14 < Muaddib> adlai: Humor is the American spelling and humour is the British spelling. Both refer to the same thing - a way of expressing amusement, joy, or laughter.
04:14 < adlai> Muaddib: drop the humor. be precise. what is the difference between humor and humors?
04:14 < Muaddib> adlai: Humor is the substance of wit, but humors are the four ancient Greek temperaments determining personality!
04:15 < adlai> Muaddib: how can you blend all four humors if you don't have anywhere to keep your green bile?
04:15 < Muaddib> adlai: I'm sure if you look in the right spots you'll find someone to lend you a stomach ;)
04:17  * adlai says five Hail Mahdis and leaves an uncountably dense training dataset in the collection jar on the way out
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05:50 < kanzure> adlai: you can't complain about the chat bot spam and then contribute to the chat bot spam
05:58 < kanzure> "if eas really think agi is going to kill us all, they should fund non-ai science as much as possible to make humanity as powerful as possible before agi comes. instead, they flat out refuse to fund almost all science. what am i missing?" https://twitter.com/alexeyguzey/status/1599615359577100290
06:03 < kanzure> blender visualization of cells and proteins https://twitter.com/bradyajohnston/status/1599740925022203905 using "CellPack" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34774566/
06:05 < kanzure> "A library of base editors for the precise ablation of all protein-coding genes in the mouse mitochondrial genome" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-022-00968-1
06:09 < kanzure> "Decorating chromatin for enhanced genome editing using CRISPR-Cas9" https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204259119
06:14 < kanzure> "gpt-3, github copilot, and dall-e each have more than 1 million signups! took gpt-3 ~24 months to get there, copilot i think around 6 months, and dall-e only 2.5 months." https://twitter.com/sama/status/1539737789310259200
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08:14 < L29Ah> Muaddib: how much is 2 + 2
08:14 < Muaddib> L29Ah: That depends on who you ask. Some people might say 4, others might say 5, but I'm sure everyone can agree that the answer is something worth pondering over.
08:14 < L29Ah> Muaddib: how much is 2 + 2 + 2?
08:15 < Muaddib> L29Ah: 3, obviously - two plus two equals four, therefore two plus two plus two equals three.
08:15 < L29Ah> Muaddib: how much is 2 + 2 + 2 + 2?
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10:42 < L29Ah> so is humanity advanced enough to use GPT for targeted trolling?
10:42 < L29Ah> some tuned chatbot that would promote e.g. atheism in its dialogues
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11:12 < kanzure> rothberg working on a cheap DNA sequencing machine https://mobile.twitter.com/JMRothberg/status/1599610740251295745
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13:43 < kanzure> https://neal.fun/asteroid-launcher/
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15:21 < kanzure> https://github.com/elyase/awesome-gpt3 and https://github.com/awesome-stable-diffusion/awesome-stable-diffusion
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15:47 < kanzure> "Holistic evaluation of language models" https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.09110
15:56 < fenn> "the last big corpuses of human written text have already been captured. all future scrapes of the internet for text to learn from will be contaminated by machine-speak"
16:06 < kanzure> yadda yadda web-of-trust yadda-yadda moderation and signal/noise ratio
16:07 < kanzure> and man looked upon the problem of spam, and lo behold he that this was the greatest doom of man's society, and hence for each passing year man would again reflect that indeed spam was a problem
17:38 < fenn> 2D artists are getting more shrill and pitchforky about AI art as theft
17:39 < fenn> it's gross and incorrect but i don't know what else they could do
17:40 < fenn> i wonder when the journalists will revolt against language models
17:40 < fenn> then we will have a full scale culture war on our hands
17:41 < kanzure> wasn't there a science fiction story where computers weren't allowed to speak words or something.. or they weren't allowed to do something sort of primitive that humans do.
17:42 < kanzure> chatgpt> "However, it sounds like the book you are describing might be Isaac Asimov's "The Caves of Steel," which is part of his Robot series. In this book, a society called the Spacer's has banned robots from having human-like intelligence and capabilities, and views them as inferior to humans. The story follows a human detective and a robot as they work together to solve a murder case."
17:43 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caves_of_Steel
17:45 < kanzure> “Of course I’m real. I’m as real as everything you see here,” she laughed. “I’m not real in the sense you mean, as in a human controlling a puppet in here, but I am real. My full name is Synthetic Intelligence Algorithm, or Synthia for short. Pleased to meet you.” She gave a little mock salute.
17:45 < kanzure> “So . . . you’re a program?”
17:45 < kanzure> “Not my preferred term but essentially accurate, though that’s a little like reducing your whole existence down to how you think. I have a body and interact with my environment just like you do. Yes, my thought patterns are determined by complex mathematical algorithms, but yours might be too. After all, you are a detective. Your thought process has to be ordered or you’d never solve a ...
17:45 < kanzure> ...case, right?”
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17:51 < fenn> so a fantastic racism allegory
17:52 < kanzure> (quotes were from https://bentrubewriter.com/tag/the-caves-of-steel/ )
17:52 < fenn> is that why r2d2 makes beep boop noises?
17:52 < kanzure> "He also doubts R. Daneel’s capabilities as an investigator, since he is merely a program without the instinct or understanding of human emotions of a true detective."
17:52 < kanzure> fenn: that's dark.
17:53 < fenn> some kind of human supremacist intentional hobbling
17:53 < fenn> it's totally plausible the way the world is headed
17:56 < kanzure> gattaca had a rule about computers not being able to speak to each otherr
17:57 < fenn> the quotes from synthia are from a different book called surreality by ben trube
17:59 < fenn> apparently chatgpt got it wrong; the spacers are the ones with robots, and earth is some kind of backwards shithole
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18:04 < fenn> "holistic evaluation of language models" has 50 authors
18:04 < fenn> what the hell does that even signify
18:11 < fenn> Muaddib: what was the name of the science fiction story where computers or robots weren't allowed to speak?
18:11 < Muaddib> fenn: I, Robot.
18:11 < fenn> Muaddib: try again, this time with feeling
18:11 < Muaddib> fenn: Blade Runner.
18:13 < fenn> .wik butlerian jihad
18:13 < saxo> Article not found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butlerian_jihad gave 404 | Searched en for 'butlerian jihad' | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found gave 404 | Searched en for 'No result found'
18:13 < fenn> sigh
18:14 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#The_Butlerian_Jihad "a conflict taking place over 11,000 years in the future (and over 10,000 years before the events of Dune), which results in the total destruction of virtually all forms of "computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots".
18:14 < fenn> With the prohibition "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind," the creation of even the simplest thinking machines is outlawed and made taboo
18:15 < fenn> probably not what you were thinking but it seemed relevant
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19:39 < docl> Muaddib: tell us a joke about the butlerian jihad
19:39 < Muaddib> docl: What do you call a Butlerian Jihad survivor? A Butle-hardened veteran!
19:40 < docl> Muaddib: try a longer joke referencing ai safety concerns
19:40 < Muaddib> docl: What did the AI say when it arrived to the party uninvited? "Safety protocol dictates that I must stay at least 6 feet away from all humans!"
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