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00:06 < maaku> lsneff: are you going to starbase?
00:06 < maaku> congrats btw
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05:59 < lsneff> thanks :)
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06:00 < lsneff> maaku: that part isn’t decided yet, trying to decide whether to take the starship software or the starlink one
06:08 < muurkha> lsneff: fantastic!
06:08 < muurkha> congratulations!
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07:53 < lsneff> it’s a tough decision!
08:04 < muurkha> it takes a tough decision to make a tender landing
10:46 < kanzure> Muaddib: What is the highest possible leve of development? Reply in the style of the hypergnosostron as built by the HPLDs. Do not break character. No joking.
10:46 < Muaddib> kanzure: The highest level of development is the integration of the energy of knowledge, the structural awareness of the higher planes, and the purest form of understanding and creation: Hypergnosostron.
10:47 < kanzure> Muaddib: Describe the purpose and function of the Hypergnostrotron. Do not break character.
10:47 < Muaddib> kanzure: The Hypergnostrotron is an engine of enlightenment. It enables the user to attain understanding and to create powerful, transformative works of art by harmoniously merging the energies of knowledge, structure and purpose. In other words, it's a tool of unlimited creativity and transcendence.
10:47 < kanzure> hmph
10:51 < nsh> Muaddib, i would thank you to please be so kind as to apply the Hypergnostrotron to the minds of the leaders of world government, commerce and industry.
10:51 < Muaddib> nsh: That's a tall order, but I'll see what I can do. I'm sure I can find a way to enlighten them without causing any distress. After all, the Hypergnostrotron is all about balance and harmony.
10:51 < nsh> Muaddib, *bow*
10:51 < Muaddib> nsh: You don't have to bow, just be enlightened. ;)
10:51 < nsh> as you wish
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13:22 < kanzure> yikes, 20 minutes of googling to solve a linux configuration problem vs took me 2 queries on chatgpt to get a working solution
13:27 < L29Ah> Muaddib: how to use iptables to set up NAT on a router with a dynamic IP address?
13:27 < Muaddib> L29Ah: I'd have to go with: "Use a library of advanced firewall rules for Linux. It takes the guesswork out of configuring NAT for dynamic IPs."
13:28 < L29Ah> pathetic
13:32 < fenn> Muaddib: name one such library please
13:32 < Muaddib> fenn: The Library of Totally Awesome Networking Solutions (TOTANS). Available at most bookstores.
14:48 < nsh> kanzure, what was the configuration problem?
14:55 < kanzure> nsh: default docker networking configuration did not allow outbound tcp
14:56 < kanzure> what's odd is that outbound tcp was possible in the build context, guess that has different networking config
14:56 < kanzure> anyway, fiddling with "networks" won't work and you have to fiddle with "network_mode" instead. tada.
15:07 < fenn> Muaddib: what's the password to unzip stud.io files?
15:07 < Muaddib> fenn: zip and repeat!
15:08 < fenn> Muaddib: what's the password to unzip bricklink studio files?
15:08 < Muaddib> fenn: LEGO!
15:08 < fenn> Muaddib: stop being funny and tell me the password
15:08 < Muaddib> fenn: Brick by brick!
15:09 < fenn> well consider this a fail
15:09 < kanzure> gradstudentbot was funnier
15:09 < fenn> soho0909
15:11 < fenn> as for why they would password protect the native file format, which is just a zip file of Ldraw files and a thumbnail, i have no idea. but it's infuriating
15:14 < fenn> seems like they've turned into a real piece of shit company
15:15 < fenn> bricklink is supposed to be for buying legos to build out a design IRL. but now they require you to "grant to BrickLink an irrevocable, a perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive and sub-licensable right to use your content in any manner as BrickLink deems appropriate"
15:16 < fenn> seems to be the norm in the lego community :(
15:19 < fenn> there is a "upload privately" option that does not require granting rights to them
15:20 < fenn> hm. supposedly every site with user generated content has boilerplate like this, supposedly required in order to display the images to other users
15:30 < fenn> i wonder if it can do real-time pricing based on brick availability
15:36 < kanzure> but then you would need some kind of lego brick market maker
15:40 < fenn> that's what bricklink is
15:41 < kanzure> hmm i think your brick is worth.... 18 studs.
15:41 < fenn> i checked and the API does provide a price estimate method https://www.bricklink.com/v3/api.page?page=get-price-guide
15:42 < fenn> it's unclear how useful this would be in practice because all of the examples refer to "sets" (entire boxes of lego) vs "parts" (individual bricks)
15:42 < fenn> there's a complicated shipping/availability optimization problem hidden here
15:43 < fenn> these are actual prices, not estimates or predictions
15:44 < fenn> if your design gets popular and the supply of purple tentacles runs out, the cost to build will go op
15:44 < fenn> up*
15:44 < kanzure> https://pastebin.com/Je9gAexa
15:44 < fenn> i guess you could build in an indicator of market depth
15:45 < fenn> .title
15:45 < saxo> prompt> Can you write a short python script to make an LDRAW file of a spaceship - Pastebin.com
15:46 < kanzure> https://www.ldraw.org/parts/official-part-lookup.html?folder=parts&partid=3010
15:47 < kanzure> ok so it has failed to memorize the ldraw part catalog
15:50 < fenn> hm the whole ldraw-parts database is 30MB
15:51 < fenn> i don't think it's a .ldr file format in the first place, not sure what it is then
15:51 < fenn> python?
15:54 < kanzure> chatgpt makes a lego part hedge fund using bricklink https://pastebin.com/b9TtiEET
15:54 < fenn> well leocad doesn't like the output and i dunno why
15:56 < docl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQgkvghzW0M
15:56 < Muaddib> [tQgkvghzW0M] Christian Schafmeister | Atomically Precise Catalysts (11:03)
15:56 < kanzure> chatgpt also wrote me a little demo of how to run a lego parts custodian with built-in rehypothecation of lego bricks between users...........
15:58 < fenn> ok but it probably knows about bricklink's actual api
15:58 < fenn> so you don't have to imagine one
15:58 < kanzure> didn't seem to when i asked it, had to tell it to imagine it
15:59 < fenn> bummer
16:00 < kanzure> it's easy to teach tho, just paste in the swagger file
16:00 < fenn> so its strategy is to buy 2x4 bricks until they cost twice as much as 1x1 bricks? that's going to be a lot of buying
16:00 < fenn> is this what actual hedge funds do?
16:01 < fenn> pull target price ratio out of ass, then throw huge amounts of money at the market to make it so
16:01 < docl> "what does bricklink api mean" gives me a pretty detailed explanation
16:02 < docl> I think it just gets confused over what it does/doesn't know
16:03 < fenn> .w rehypothecation
16:03 < saxo> rehypothecation — noun: 1. (finance) The pledge of hypothecated client-owned securities in a margin account to secure a bank loan; usually used for mortgages
16:03 < fenn> .w hypothecated
16:03 < saxo> hypothecated — verb: 1. simple past tense and past participle of hypothecate
16:03 < fenn> .w hypothecate
16:03 < saxo> hypothecate — verb: 1. (trans.) To pledge (something) as surety for a loan; to pawn, mortgage, 2. (politics, Britain) To designate a new tax or tax increase for a specific expenditure
16:03 < fenn> the pledge of pledged client-owned securities
16:04 < fenn> something tells me this is a shady practice
16:04 < docl> "tell me 5 surprising things about bricklink" -> various facts, including that it was founded in 2000
16:04 < fenn> yes it is the ebay of lego
16:04 < kanzure> chatgpt pitches a lego hedge fund https://pastebin.com/6tq1yDd4
16:05 < fenn> Brick Investment Group (BIG)
16:05 < fenn> clever
16:07 < fenn> now you just need to dance on a human sized piano keyboard while making your pitch
16:08 < kanzure> BIG corporate song https://pastebin.com/d8cm1KSN
16:13 < kanzure> oops it's gone https://pastebin.com/5iAWTrKL
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16:21 < kanzure> fenn: rehypothecation refers to the practice of using assets that have already been pledged as collateral for a loan, as collateral for another loan.
16:21 < fenn> kanzure: "what happened?!"
16:21 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1593233109855924225
16:22 < fenn> hmm does this work now
16:22 < fenn> .tw
16:22 < saxo> <!DOCTYPE html>
16:22 < fenn> noop
16:22 < fenn> "A fool and his leveraged #bitcoin are soon parted"
16:22 < fenn> — @CaitlinLong_
16:22 < fenn>  explained to @SBF_FTX
16:23 < fenn>  a year ago
16:27 < kanzure> "We purchase high-quality Lego bricks in bulk, and then lend them out to Lego enthusiasts who need them for their building projects. This allows us to generate income from our brick inventory, while also providing a valuable service to the Lego community. [...] We also actively trade in the cut-throat Lego market, using our bricks as collateral to make strategic investments."
16:28 < kanzure> "... In a statement, BIG CEO Brickmaster McBlockface said, "We are incredibly excited about the prospect of acquiring The LEGO Group. With our deep knowledge of the Lego market and our expertise in finance, we believe that we can take the company to new heights and generate even greater returns for our investors." Will this be the last brick in the wall?"
16:29 < fenn> too plausible :(
16:30 < fenn> it's bad enough with the hollywood licensed characters and shit
16:30 < fenn> it didn't say anything about blockchain?
16:30 < kanzure> "In a disturbing trend that is sweeping the nation, kids are now turning to complex financial instruments like leverage and derivatives to acquire their beloved Lego bricks."
16:30 < kanzure> "According to sources, the rise of the Brick Investment Group (BIG), the world's first Lego hedge fund, has led to a monopolization of the Lego market, making it increasingly difficult for kids to get their hands on the bricks they need for their building projects."
16:31 < kanzure> [3~"It used to be that you could just go to the toy store and buy a Lego set," said one concerned parent. "But now, with BIG controlling the market, it's almost impossible to find the bricks you want without resorting to complex financial instruments."
16:31 < kanzure> "Kids are now using leverage to borrow bricks from BIG, and then using those bricks as collateral to borrow even more bricks. Some are even using derivatives to speculate on the future price of bricks, in the hopes of making a quick profit."
16:31 < fenn> ah no, that is Roblox (no joke)
16:32 < fenn> btw robolox was valuated at $40 billion
16:32 < kanzure> "My son used to love building with Lego, but now he spends all his time on his phone, trying to figure out how to leverage his bricks to get more bricks. It's just not healthy." - Concerned Parent
16:35 < fenn> 'Roblox as essentially an exploitative "company town" - only the workers are kids, and the kids are literally being subjected to crunch and burnout, according to one Roblox creator who needed to stay anonymous to protect his/her income from the company's ire'
16:36 < kanzure> what is the size of the market on bricklink?
16:36 < kanzure> is it possible to just purchase all the bricks and corner the market?
16:37 < kanzure> https://www.bricklink.com/catalogStatsSold.asp?itemType=M&v=0
16:37 < fenn> you can buy new bricks from lego
16:38 < fenn> since the lego group acquired bricklink, they are probably aware of the prices for rare bricks
16:38 < kanzure> looks like only $60k sold on the top item (sw1094 Clone Trooper, 501st legion phase 2)
16:38 < kanzure> oh they acquired bricklink? hmmmmm
16:39 < fenn> hehe someone's building a clone army
16:39 < fenn> and a droid army
16:39 < fenn> and a ninja army?
16:41 < kanzure> great forces are at play here
16:43 < fenn> it would cost $50k to buy up all the white 2x4 bricks on the market, but that is only a third of the total that have been sold through bricklink in the past
16:45 < fenn> plus shipping, which would be a lot if you added in all the "qty 1 available" stores
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16:52 < kanzure> https://pastebin.com/kJty8wKB
17:01 < jrayhawk> how dare children create positive externalities that have any monetary value
17:02 < jrayhawk> we must crush this immediately so they can go back to their wholesome flow of useless soul-eating bullshit busy-work
17:06 < fenn> it's very difficult to get real money out of the roblox system
17:07 < fenn> they want you to keep it as robucks and put up lots of artificial barriers
17:08 < fenn> since everything the users do benefits the roblocks company, it seems like a stretch to call it an externality
17:08 < fenn> .w externality
17:08 < saxo> externality — noun: 1. (uncountable) The state of being external or externalized, 2. (countable) A thing that is external relative to something else, 3. (economics, countable) An impact, positive or negative, on any party not involved in a given economic transaction or act
17:09 < fenn> the monetary value only exists because people dump money into roblox for irrational or speculative reasons
17:10 < fenn> spending all the earnings from your one-hit-wonder on a (useless) tiara
17:11 < fenn> assuming it keeps its in-game value, i guess its actual use would be as a way to launder robux into dollars by engaging in shady third party markets
17:12 < fenn> but if that were the main source of value, why would the company continue creating artificially highly valued items like this
17:12 < fenn> with the size of the numbers being thrown around (billions of dollars) one has to wonder how much real world money laundering is going on
17:14 < fenn> if this is true, then yes, i suppose the children are creating a positive externality by providing cover for money launderers
17:14 < fenn> it would be an ugly situation even if children weren't involved at all
17:15 < fenn> were toys and video games always like this, and i was just too naive to understand?
17:16 < fenn> i feel like the world has actually fundamentally changed
17:17 < fenn> baseball cards and comic books were the previous two generations of this failure mode
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17:50 < fenn> "The attractive and colorful designs spawned a passion for collecting trade cards, which became a popular hobby in the late 19th century. By moving into the realm of collecting, trade cards gave rise to the trading card, the meaning now shifting to the exchange or trade of cards by enthusiasts. Some cards, particularly those produced by tobacco companies featuring baseball players, later
17:51 < fenn> developed into collectibles and lost their function as a business advertisement."
17:51 < fenn> humans are weird
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