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00:03 < muurkha> fenn: I agree with all of what you said about carbon currencies
00:06 < muurkha> the dehumidifier thing is interesting too.  I wonder if he's correct
00:10 < fenn> a commenter pointed out that condensation on windows releases some heat back into the house
00:11 < fenn> he rebutted that the condensation eventually evaporates, so it's still a heat loss
00:11 < fenn> *shrug*
00:12 < fenn> a COP of 1.5 is not amazing really, if you can use a modern heat pump with 6 or 7
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00:22 < muurkha> true
00:22 < muurkha> also though a dehumidifier is a heat pump
00:23 < muurkha> though not in a useful way for this
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03:41 < maaku> Why not? That’s exactly how a lot of air conditioners work as far as I understand 
06:05 < muurkha> all of them, AFAIK
06:07 < muurkha> but if a heat pump is rigged up to pump heat to or from the outdoors, it's a terrible dehumidifier
09:37 < kanzure> "the algernon argument" for why intelligence enhancement hasn't been invented yet https://www.gwern.net/Drug-heuristics
09:38 < kanzure> in regards to https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1607373326913265665
09:40 < kanzure> "But our argument here is that these expanded cortical areas are likely to use generic network designs shared by most primates; if so, then it appears unlikely that the designs are in any sense ‘optimized’ for cognition. We take this as a starting position for the assumption that the designs are far from being maximally effective for specialized human functions, and therefore that it is ...
09:40 < kanzure> ...realistic to expect that cognition-related operations can be significantly enhanced. [...] However, this does not offer hope for nootropics because the human brain can easily be suboptimal in its gross anatomical architecture but close to optimal in any factor easily tweaked by chemicals!"
09:42 < kanzure> "Administering choline supplementation to pregnant rats improved the performance of their pups, apparently as a result of changes in neural development in turn due to changes in gene expression (Meck et al 1988⁠; Meck & Williams2003⁠; Mellott et al 2004). Given the ready availability of choline supplements, such prenatal enhancement, may already (inadvertently) be taking place in human ...
09:42 < kanzure> ...populations. Supplementation of a mother’s diet during late and 3 months postpartum with long-chained fatty acids has also been demonstrated to improve cognitive performance in human children (Helland et al 2003⁠⁠33).⁠⁠34"
09:46 < kanzure> "The human brain seems to be special only in being a scaled-up primate brain⁠⁠42⁠, with close to the metabolic limit in its number of neurons⁠⁠43 (which suggests a resolution to the question why despite convergent evolution of relatively high intelligence⁠⁠44⁠, only primates “took off”). [...] Indeed, it’s apparently been argued that not only are humans not much smarter ...
09:46 < kanzure> ...than primates⁠⁠55⁠, but there is little overall intelligence differences in vertebrates⁠⁠56⁠. Humans lose embarrassingly on even pure tests of statistical reasoning; we are outperformed on the Monty Hall problem by pigeons and to a lesser extent ⁠monkeys"
09:50 < kanzure> "Neurons do get larger as brain size increases, but not quite quickly enough to stay equally well connected. And axons do get thicker as brains expand, but not quickly enough to make up for the longer conduction delays…In fact, neuroscientists have recently seen a similar pattern in variations within humans: people with the quickest lines of communication between their brain areas also seem ...
09:50 < kanzure> ...to be the brightest. One study…used functional magnetic resonance imaging to measure how directly different brain areas talk to one another - that is, whether they talk via a large or a small number of intermediary areas…Shorter paths between brain areas correlated with higher IQ"
09:50 < kanzure> that may even be true, but that does not sound like particularly strong evidence to me
09:58 < kanzure> like, those measurements would not be sufficient to convince me that modifying those parameters would increase intelligence or working memory
09:58 < kanzure> s/those measurements/those correlative measurements
10:00 < kanzure> anyway, it may be true that chemical tweaking cannot substantially impact intelligence or memory, but that doesn't mean we have hit a limit on diminishing returns for tweaking brain architecture during embryo development or infancy
10:13 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/goth600/status/1607224907607470082
10:13 < saxo> Your Honor, in my defense I was just trying to maximize the qualia of future digital shrimp (@goth600) psa from .tw cmd: fuck twitter
11:07 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yKgIizU_Y
11:07 < Muaddib> [A3yKgIizU_Y] Army of frogs (thousands)- Bullfrog Farm (1:29)
18:04 < kanzure> .wik house of suns
18:04 < saxo> "House of Suns is a 2008 science fiction novel by Welsh author Alastair Reynolds. /  The novel is set in the same fictional setting as Reynolds' novella 'Thousandth Night', which appears in the anthology One Million A.D.." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_suns
18:23 < kanzure> what is the motivation for these clone lines to have family reunions precisely? it doesn't sound smart.
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18:51 < maaku> do they sync experiences?
18:51 < maaku> idk i haven't read that one yet
19:10 < muurkha> chemical tweaking can easily substantially impact intelligence or memory, and does every time someone goes under anesthesia
19:26 < kanzure> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/100191.Sister_Alice
19:48 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Maker
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21:11 < lsneff> been reading light chaser the last two days. pretty good, I recommend it
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