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06:37 < L29Ah> 03:41:17]<fenn> i mean they are hacking gender politics to do social engineering
06:37 < L29Ah> isn't it an essence of transgenderism?
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07:03 < muurkha> I don't think so; most people just really care a lot about their gender, and in some cases they really want it to be opposite from the one social consensus assigns them
07:04 < muurkha> people like Lynn Conway didn't talk about gender politics at all for decades because they didn't want to get lynched
07:05 < kanzure> boring, unnecessary appeal to social opinions and consensus, and off-topic
07:05 < muurkha> also, in her case, she was too busy inventing the system of outsourced foundries, design rule checks, GDS-II files, fabless semi, etc., that underlie the modern semiconductor industry; she didn't want to waste her time with politics
07:06 < muurkha> which is probably a good choie
07:06 < muurkha> *choice
07:12 < L29Ah> muurkha: why would anyone care a lot about their gender if not for politics' sake?
07:12 < L29Ah> kanzure: but transgenderism is transhumanism!
07:18 < muurkha> L29Ah: I've never understood this myself, but I suspect it's either a genetically programmed instinct or a deeply inculcated aspect of acculturation
07:19 < muurkha> gender roles are on Donald Brown's list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_universal
07:21 < muurkha> caring a lot about them isn't, which is why I say it might be culturally programmed rather than genetically, but certainly caring about them is a life-and-death matter in most cultures
07:24 < L29Ah> > certainly caring about them is a life-and-death matter in most cultures
07:24 < L29Ah> this sounds like a very strong statement, can you provide an executable experiment to falsify it?
07:26 < muurkha> well, the experiment varies by culture; which culture would you like?
07:26 < L29Ah> tho maybe my doubts have to do with the fact i'm coming from a post-USSR culture, where gender roles were somewhat wiped by the communist idealism
07:27 < muurkha> I suspect that in modern Russia you could do the experiment by waking a few men up by sucking their dicks
07:28 < muurkha> if they judge you to be female, you will almost certainly survive; if they judge you to be male, you probably will not
07:28 < muurkha> but my knowledge of Russian culture is very limited, so I could be mistaken about this
07:28 < muurkha> what do you think?
07:29 < L29Ah> idk, there would be some asymmetry indeed, but not as grave: even male prison inmates get their dicks sucked by other men
07:30 < muurkha> with their consent, which is a key factor here
07:30 < L29Ah> aggressive actions from females seem to be more socially acceptable overall
07:31 < L29Ah> e.g. if you're a man, you'll be frowned upon if you punch a woman who punched you first
07:32 < muurkha> in that example I agree, although it's very complex, and culturally variable
07:32 < muurkha> I agree that all of these social expectations tied to biology are likely to experience dramatic shifts in coming years as we begin to break the bonds of human bodies
07:33 < muurkha> the whole transgender foofaraw is a mild preview
07:38 < kanzure> this is boring
07:39 < L29Ah> kanzure: did you take your metformin today?
07:39 < kanzure> huh?
07:45 < L29Ah> in other news: russian state bank have trained GPT-3 on russian texts and opensourced it, unlike OpenAI™: https://russiannlp.github.io/rugpt-demo/
07:46 < L29Ah> kanzure: aging waits for no one
07:49 < muurkha> hooray for open Russia!
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11:11 < nsh> “We have split natural seawater into oxygen and hydrogen with nearly 100 per cent efficiency, to produce green hydrogen by electrolysis, using a non-precious and cheap catalyst in a commercial electrolyser,” said Professor Qiao. - https://www.adelaide.edu.au/newsroom/news/list/2023/01/30/seawater-split-to-produce-green-hydrogen
11:19 < lsneff> Oh that’s big
11:42 < muurkha> I think the energy required to desalinate the water first is about three orders of magnitude lower than the energy required for electrolysis, so I'm not sure this is useful except on a very small scale
12:33 < superkuh> Wouldn't the leaching of chromium into the sea water be bad?
12:34 < superkuh> I only have the abstract to go on.
12:44 < muurkha> oops, wrong channel
12:44 < muurkha> not if it's only trivalent
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