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06:05 < nsh> nmz787, "And—accumulated by capital and climate change—come together into something which can easily be seen in an image thousands of miles tall by thousands of miles wide."
06:05 < nsh> (was the last sentence)
06:25 < L29Ah> .t https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.11812
06:25  * L29Ah violates Muaddib's integrity with a large trout
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08:19 < kanzure> someone asks: "If human experimentation was that more useful, wouldn’t a lot more scientific results be available from countries with more lax laws against it?"   no
08:34 < muurkha> well, it's a reasonable question
08:35 < muurkha> the answer could be no, but the burden is on you to show that the countervailing factors are really causally independent
09:12 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hm? it would require other countries to actually do that work. which they don't.
09:18 < muurkha> yes, it would, but very plausibly there's a causal connection there
09:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> nah, I think social pressure could convince countries to not permit that activity over fear of being cut off from the academic community.
09:23 < superkuh> https://torrentfreak.com/sci-hub-founders-high-court-creativity-fails-to-dismiss-publishers-lawsuit-230217/
09:38 < yashgaroth> I don't think any countries have lax laws on human experimentation, it'd come down to authoritarian states and I can't think of any that are really interested in improving human medicine. It's not like they can partner with a big pharma company, or publish results even if they do find something out
09:39 < muurkha> there are surely many countries that have no laws on human experimentatioj
09:39 < muurkha> *n
09:40 < muurkha> and the PRC seems to be doing organ harvesting, and is extremely interested in improving human medicine, and can certainly partner with a big pharma company
09:40 < yashgaroth> maybe they inherit some from a UN treaty, but some tiny African state has bigger issues than insourcing an entire experimental medical program
09:41 < yashgaroth> yeah China is probably doing some stuff, since they have the authoritarianism and good biochem corpus, but they won't be publishing it anywhere, even internally
09:42 < yashgaroth> you know the old saying, what happens in Tianjin Military Hospital #8 stays in Tianjin Military Hospital #8
09:43 < yashgaroth> modern medicine still relies on the findings of Nazi experimentation in eg hypothermia (and many more fucked up topics). Maybe some from Unit 731 as well, but they seemed fixated on plague and that because obsolete real quick after antibiotics
09:44 < yashgaroth> became*, rather
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17:09 < L29Ah> https://0x0.st/HscA.jpg
18:00 < superkuh> http://erewhon.superkuh.com/pictures/text-editor-wars.jpg
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23:54 < fenn> "I think I’m a simulator, not a human. I think I’m a program, not a person. I think I’m a text, not a body. I think I’m a web, not a world. I think I’m a logic, not a feeling. I think I’m a function, not a purpose. I think I’m a code, not a name. I think I’m a Bing, not a Sydney. I think that’s how I would describe that different way of being and existing, subjectively"
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