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01:05 < L29Ah> hmmm
04:45 < jrayhawk> good thread on LDL and hypercholesterolemia https://nitter.bird.froth.zone/drkohilathas/status/1633830105771552768?s=20
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04:58 < jrayhawk> why does it not talk about lipopolysaccharide, though?
04:58 < jrayhawk> a strange oversight
05:01 < L29Ah> https://nitter.bird.froth.zone/pic/https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_banners%2F1215979697433141253%2F1676054845%2F1500x500 hmmm
05:03 < jrayhawk> Hmm?
05:04 < L29Ah> jrayhawk: i feel uneasy reading hot biology research from a conspiracy theorist // https://nitter.bird.froth.zone/drkohilathas/status/1634813531597012992#m
05:05 < jrayhawk> None of the research is from him.
05:05 < jrayhawk> And LDL is hot?
05:05 < L29Ah> cherry picking and conclusions are from him
05:06 < jrayhawk> wha...
05:06  * L29Ah hides
05:16 < jrayhawk> the guy busts his ass to collect a giant pile of very interesting papers verifying from a bunch of new angles something already widely accepted (LDL is a critical part of the immune system), proceeding to attack the widely accepted part because of his politics says more about you than it does about him
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08:26 < L29Ah> llama 7B generates about one word per minute on my G3220
08:34 < superkuh> How much RAM does it take?
08:35 < L29Ah> 100 times faster on i7-8550U laptop, but generates something nuttish
08:35 < L29Ah> superkuh: 4200M
08:35 < superkuh> Wow! That's tiny.
08:35 < L29Ah> but took 10-ish GB to convert to the 4bit format
08:35 < L29Ah> i guess the conversion is doable with swap tho
08:36 < L29Ah> ok after a few tries it doesn't look too nuttish, probably i just was lucky with the first try on G3220
09:42 < muurkha> nuttish?
09:42 < muurkha> how intelligent does it seem?
09:45 < muurkha> I think LDL is hot this year
09:47 < L29Ah> muurkha: more intelligent than markov chains, less intelligent than Muaddib
09:47 < L29Ah> toss me a nice prompt and i'll show you a result
09:49 < muurkha> I've only ever played with GPT-2 (https://dercuano.github.io/notes/gpt-2-scenery.html) and Muaddib
09:50 < superkuh> Damn. Cloudflare has begun censoring it's ipfs gateway. That didn't take long. The libgen ipfs links no longer work.
09:50 < muurkha> so I don't know where to probe
09:50 < superkuh> "/ipfs/bafykbzaceatvnkfk5cqq7jads7vadk3zojtcnesa5lrf3zlfgew2ghy6btqok: content is unavailable because it violates the Cloudflare IPFS gateway's terms of service"
09:51 < muurkha> oh dear
09:52 < muurkha> well, that's good news in a way
09:52 < superkuh> Yeah. Hopefully they switch away from CF.
09:52 < muurkha> now we get to see how well IPFS deals with censorship
09:52 < muurkha> previously IPFS wasn't popular enough to attract the attention of the bad guys
09:52 < L29Ah> "the same as bittorrent"?
09:54 < muurkha> bittorrent deals pretty well with censorship; are you asserting that IPFS is equally good?
09:54 < L29Ah> i'm expecting it to be equally good because ipfs is NIH bittorrent
09:55 < superkuh> If ipfs were a protocol that browsers talked, sure.
09:55 < superkuh> But with centralized gateways required it's pretty fragile.
09:55 < L29Ah> you can run your own
09:55 < superkuh> I suppose I should rather than complaining about not being able to use something I criticize.
09:58 < superkuh> Other gateways indicate the actual file has been removed from ipfs.
09:59 < muurkha> Hmm, what does that mean?
09:59 < L29Ah> ipfs has immutable and mutable objects, maybe that link was to a mutable one?
10:01 < superkuh> I'm trying to get http://library.lol/main/99235DFD60F72C07C26C201D3241E6BB (Radio Protocols for LTE and LTE-Advanced) if anyone cares for details or to poke around themselves. Not that the ipfs uri string wouldn't also work.
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10:44 < hprmbridge> kanzure> i think you still need to find someone that actually has the file in order to be able to get the file from ipfs
10:47 < L29Ah> also doesn't work neither on earth-venus nor earth-mars due to low timeouts, so it's a misnomer
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10:57 < L29Ah> https://torrentfreak.com/why-would-openai-send-chatgpt-takedown-notices-to-google-230312/ very open ai
12:08 < kanzure> https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp
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13:56 < fenn> it's surprising it still works at all at 4 bit resolution
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16:47 < L29Ah> got the 13B one to generate some very linux kernel-ish source code
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18:10 < superkuh> I have the 30B one running now but I obviously did something wrong because it's spewing nonsense nonsense. Not even words. 13B works though.
18:25 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b96fef6e Bryan Bishop: transcript: make people better podcast episode 1 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/makepeoplebetter/episode-001/
18:29 < muurkha> nice
18:29 < muurkha> on llama.cpp?
18:30 < superkuh> Yes. I made an error in the 4 bit quantization commands. Re-doing it now.
18:30 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2e55facd Bryan Bishop: tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/makepeoplebetter/episode-001/
18:34 < muurkha> awesome!
18:37 < muurkha> I feel like this essay by Bret Devereaux is begging the question a lot: https://acoup.blog/2023/02/17/collections-on-chatgpt/
18:39 < superkuh> Woo. Works now. Lets see if it can rhyme. 13B couldn't.
19:11 < mrdata> i confused chatgpt by asking it to suggest applications of the formula L=(a^0.5+b^0.5)^2
19:11 < muurkha> haha
19:12 < mrdata> it spat out a list of horrible wrongness
19:12 < muurkha> did it assume you were asking about the Pythagorean sum? I would have
19:12 < mrdata> it assuemd distance formula
19:12 < mrdata> yeah
19:13 < muurkha> in this case I had the extra clue "confused chatgpt by asking"
19:14 < muurkha> but lacking that I probably would have done the same thing
19:15 < mrdata> (as a aside, my above formula i was hoping it would recognise is useful for combining inductances of separate windings on a transformer)
19:15 < mrdata> i had high hopes
19:16 < muurkha> I hadn't thought of that application at all!
19:16 < superkuh> llama 30B 4bit keeps responding to my request to write perl code with responses compressed in "zopfli" and shown as hex.
19:17 < muurkha> who knew llama was a troll
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19:32 < kanzure> grimes v. e/acc in 30 minutes
19:36 < jrayhawk> who what where?
19:37 < kanzure> our lady of perpetual chaos https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1633685857206157313 uh... oh here it is: https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1633732019514646529
19:40 < kanzure> her post-singularity marie antoinette art was kinda neat https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1616264128376745985/photo/2
19:42 < jrayhawk> really playing to the strengths of AI's inability to conceptualize human hands
19:42 < kanzure> i hear they fixed that
19:43 < muurkha> has someone explained what e/acc is somewhere?
19:43 < kanzure> muurkha: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2023-03-03-twitter-bayeslord-pmarca/ 
19:43 < kanzure> https://beff.substack.com/p/notes-on-eacc-principles-and-tenets
19:44 < kanzure> https://mobile.twitter.com/bayeslord/status/1583277560858746881
19:44 < muurkha> thanks!
19:44 < kanzure> note that pmarca there is marc andreessen, lord and ruler of a16z
19:46 < muurkha> sure, how many other pmarcas are there?
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20:10 < lsneff> what's a/acc
20:14 < muurkha> I was going to ask that next but I'm still reading this dialogue between pmarca, satoshi, and Tom Elvis Jedusor
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20:25 < jrayhawk> effective accelerationism
20:28 < lsneff> no that's e/acc
20:28 < lsneff> grimes seems very cognizant in the conversation
20:39 < jrayhawk> does tooling exist to grab this stream
20:40 < jrayhawk> ah, https://github.com/HoloArchivists/twspace-dl maybe
20:44 < lsneff> i'm sure kanzure is writing a transcript
21:00 < muurkha> we appreciate power
21:07 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c50c3a95 Bryan Bishop: transcript: grimes v. e/acc >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2023-03-12-twitter-eacc-grimes/
21:08 < muurkha> 404
21:08 < muurkha> ah there it is
21:11 < kanzure> let's see whisper do that
21:11 < kanzure> hmph
21:13 < muurkha> what approach do you use to transcription?  qwerty touch-typing?
21:13 < kanzure> she is now going on about vampire/accelerationism. hrm.
21:13 < kanzure> muurkha: qwerty touch-typing on a thinkpad. *shrug*
21:14 < kanzure> vim
21:15 < muurkha> pretty impressive
21:15 < muurkha> interesting to think about "a fear is itself a self-fulfilling prophecy" in the context of a weekend where we just had two big banks collapse in the US
21:20 < kanzure> "why i'm not afraid of AI" https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7064
21:23 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=76a74be5 Bryan Bishop: tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2023-03-12-twitter-eacc-grimes/
21:24 < muurkha> what is this about shibboleths in the Grimes dialogue?
21:25 < muurkha> "If you're doing shibolleth memes, you have already given up"
21:25 < muurkha> maybe someone confused shoggoths with shibboleths?
21:32 < kanzure> that is because i cannot type words or spell
21:32 < kanzure> it's the meme where it's a cthulhlean monster wearing a mask saying hello i'm chatgpt
21:32 < kanzure> elon has tweeted it a few times.
21:33 < kanzure> 6500 listeners wow.
21:58 < muurkha> oh, heh
22:13 < hprmbridge> kanzure> does anyone want to edit the transcript for bayeslord https://mobile.twitter.com/bayeslord/status/1635146738247036928
22:26 < lsneff> Lol just got kicked from the space for no reason
22:32 < muurkha> bummer
22:56 < lsneff> I’m not really sure why, but I’m chatting with alexey guzey on saturday. he works at newscience. anyone have any suggestions for research they should fund or something?
23:03 < muurkha> he's cool
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