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03:20 < hprmbridge> eleitl> @nmz WSI isn't a stunt, it's a logical culmination of increasing integration density. You route around bad substructures, leaving them in place.
03:22 < hprmbridge> eleitl> 3d integration aka stacking of thinned dies is off-Moore, and also a thing of last resort. Because of cooling issue there is pressure to switch to less heat-dissipating methods of computation and signalling. Perhaps we'll finally see things like spintronics and certainly optical on-wafer and inter-wafer comms.
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03:56 < nsh> can you expand on what you mean for an approach to be 'off-Moore'? 
04:06 < hprmbridge> Perry> 3D stacking isn’t that interesting compared to simply growing circuits in 3D. Flash chips are now often hundreds of layers.
04:08 < hprmbridge> Perry> WSI makes sense for supercomputing applications.
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09:10 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Flash cells aren't logic, they're about 1000X slower than SRAM too, for example
09:11 < hprmbridge> Perry> I don’t see the relevance of that comment.
09:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> It's not apples to apples
09:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Metals in between your silicon is currently the limitation for stacking transistors, because you lose the seed layer for new growth
09:20 < hprmbridge> nmz787> You can still have a wafer sized die that isn't monolithic
09:20 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (with 3d ic)
09:21 < hprmbridge> nmz787> The upside, as I thought I mentioned before, is enhanced yield
09:21 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Cooling/thermal density is an issue regardless of singulation and reconstitution
09:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_silicon
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13:37 < Jay_Dugger> Good morning, everyone.
13:41 < kanzure> greetings
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15:32 < Jay_Dugger> Sigh...
15:33 < kanzure> hm?
15:33  * L29Ah scratches his butt
15:37 < Jay_Dugger> Exasperated at the lack of vision in this Twitter space supposedly about AI.
15:38 < Jay_Dugger> I want to just slap every speaker in it with a copy of lem's Imaginary Magnitude.
15:38 < Jay_Dugger> OTOH, by pointing out they're repeating ideas long since explored in SF, I am guilty of reasoning from fiction to the real world.
15:39 < Jay_Dugger> And now we're wandering in and out of Musk fanboy-ism.
15:39 < kanzure> there exists fiction from before ~5 years ago?
15:41 < Jay_Dugger> You're kidding.
15:41 < Jay_Dugger> Translated from the Polish in 1985.
15:41 < kanzure> i have been known to accuse modern scifi for a lack of imagination or science
15:41 < Jay_Dugger> Oh, well, yes.
15:42 < Jay_Dugger> Lem didn't suffer from lack of imagination, and he wrote in Polish.
15:43 < Jay_Dugger> His works I think are all now in English.
15:43 < Jay_Dugger> https://www.amazon.com/Imaginary-Magnitude-Stanislaw-Lem/dp/0156441802
15:43 < Jay_Dugger> "These wickedly authentic introductions to twenty-first-century books preface tomes on teaching English to bacteria, using animated X-rays to create "pornograms," and analyzing computer-generated literature through the science of "bitistics.""
15:45 < Jay_Dugger> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem_XIV
15:45 < muurkha> I thought there were still some Lem books with no English translation
15:45 < Jay_Dugger> WP claims written in 1973.
15:55 < kanzure> "With Frank Theys, Bauwens is the co-creator of the 2006 documentary TechnoCalyps, an examination of transhumanism and the 'metaphysics of technology'. "
15:56 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TechnoCalyps
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15:56 < kanzure> hello pharonix71 
15:56 < pharonix71> hello kanzure
15:59 < kanzure> what brings you here
16:00 < pharonix71> just browsing the channel list and saw a topic about biohacking and nootropics :)
16:00 < pharonix71> what about you? 
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16:07 < kanzure> we should do a backup of p2pfoundation wiki at some point
16:07 < kanzure> michel bauwens made the first bitcoin wiki page on 2009-02-12 https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Bitcoin&oldid=28518
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16:32 < kanzure> you can get the list of articles from two places:
16:32 < kanzure> https://web.archive.org/web/timemap/json?url=p2pfoundation.net&matchType=prefix&collapse=urlkey&output=json&fl=original%2Cmimetype%2Ctimestamp%2Cendtimestamp%2Cgroupcount%2Cuniqcount&filter=!statuscode%3A%5B45%5D..&limit=999999999&_=1681599859216
16:32 < kanzure> and https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:AllPages
16:32 < kanzure> also has https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Export
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19:35 < kanzure> weird seeing this on zerohedge https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/hacking-humanity-transhumanism
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