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06:32 < hprmbridge> jasoncrawford> I've posted the answer to this quote quiz: https://rootsofprogress.org/quote-quiz-answer
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06:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> seal playing video game https://v.redd.it/0jk804l2unya1
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08:06 < alethkit> jasoncrawford: I think my opinions regarding the Unabomber are similar to geohot's
08:11 < alethkit> https://geohot.github.io/blog/jekyll/update/2022/10/13/a-hope.html
08:23 < hprmbridge> Eli> It's totally crazy that the unabomber could be so smart and yet believe that he could change the path of technological advance by mailing bombs to people. If anything, we are far more reliant on technology than ever before, and a lot of people would be ready to kill people without technology.
08:24 < hprmbridge> Eli> very few americans today could readily accept living like an amish person.
08:35 < alethkit> Eli: I think the plan was to inspire other people to rise up
08:36 < alethkit> Who knows, maybe people have finally had enough of smartphones..
08:40 < hprmbridge> Eli> It was such a profoundly stupid plan
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09:49 < nsh> it crazy how often doing something is something more done than doing nothing
09:50 < nsh> the warsaw ghetto uprising also didn't succeed
10:36 < docl> una-bee unfortunately succeeded at an egotist's dream, being talked about and recognized / name dropped all the time. and seen as an intellectual (mainly from being a big fish in the small pond of terrorist scumbags)
10:42 < docl> https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
10:43 < docl> "The manifesto appeared in The Washington Post as an eight-page supplement that was not part of the news sections."
10:45 < docl> OK I'll admit I did not know he got 35k words published in the Washington Post. that's kind of impressive
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10:59 < kanzure> in the coming AI-generated spam apocalypse, proof-of-work/hashcash could be used to stamp items (doesn't particularly matter if a human really wrote it, as long as someone thought it was worth enough to pass your difficulty threshold)
11:20 < superkuh> I bet you can avoid 99% of it by just turning off javascript when browsing the web.
11:20 < superkuh> The non-JS web will remain mostly the product of human persons.
11:21 < kanzure> hm? like the chatgpt-generated text won't be pasted by humans into plain html pages?
11:22 < superkuh> The people, and non-human persons, seeking to make money will follow the rest of the money seekers and use JS for everything. It takes a concerted effort and intentional choice to develop JS free.
11:45 < L29Ah> meh hashcash, i only accept bitcoin
13:16 < docl> kanzure: problem with arerosols is you can't really localize them to one spot in the atmosphere. makes it tricky to cool just one spot. not a problem for the reducing the global temperature overall, but I think we want more control than that
13:21 < docl> https://foresight.org/the-weather-machine/
13:24 < docl> .wik SEAgel
13:24 < EmmyNoether> "SEAgel (Safe Emulsion Agar gel) is one of a class of high-tech foam materials known as aerogels. It is an excellent thermal insulator and among the least dense solids known." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAgel
13:24 < docl> "SEAgel can be made lighter than air using hydrogen, causing it to float or hang in the air. It insulates against temperature, noise, and electric current."
13:24 < nsh> the problem might also be that we have very little appreciation for complex multidimensional nonlinear dynamics with chaotic regimes and wouldn't know what and wherefore to be controlling if he had the agility 
13:24 < nsh> *we
13:25 < nsh> one can concoct dozens of scenarios where some indicator which would naively be thought to be moving in the right direction precipitates some catastrophe due to a feedback mechanism almost nobody knows about let alone understands
13:26 < docl> stuff gets exponentially easier if it's more localized and you can turn it off as needed
13:27 < docl> I thought AI was supposed to solve that problem :P
13:28 < docl> seriously though I am not a fan of things you need to rely on an AI to model to avoid catastrophic failure. design with failsafes, limited damage potential, etc.
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14:44 < alethkit> kanzure: Wouldn't you just get botnets to do the PoW for you?
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17:28 < Jay_Dugger> Hello, everyone.
18:14 < fenn> why didn't medieval witches breed bioluminescent moss and fungi to read at night without depending on the catholic monasteries for beeswax candles
18:15 < fenn> ... or did they?
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18:53 < nsh> having access to books and having access to the ability to light rooms in the evening seems like it might have been somewhat well correlated 
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