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01:43 < fenn> "this is quite a major moment in human history. there is now virtually no language task that the average human can do better than palm 2. of course expert humans can do better in individual domains but the average human is now worse in virtually every domain" referring to PaLM-2's performance on the BIG-Bench Hard benchmark, which consists mostly of simple logical deductions, story problems, and
01:43 < fenn> reading comprehension: https://github.com/suzgunmirac/BIG-Bench-Hard/tree/main/cot-prompts
01:45 < fenn> GPT-4 and PaLM-2 are roughly evenly matched, although they perform differently on different tasks, and PaLM-2 is more efficient to run inference on because it (probably) has a much lower parameter count
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06:32 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://zuzalu.streameth.org/
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13:18 < muurkha> yeah, this seems like the beginning of the posthuman age
13:18 < muurkha> we can perhaps backdate it to GPT-4
13:19 < hprmbridge> lachlan> it was easy to assume that posthuman would be humans but better, but it turns out it just machines instead
13:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> people sure are quick to write off humans
13:20 < muurkha> I think there are maybe perceptual tasks PaLM and GPT-4 are worse at than average humans, but those seem to have been conquered by other ANNs earlier
13:20 < hprmbridge> kanzure> how about wait for several hundred years of machine excellence before giving up on humans
13:20 < muurkha> who's giving up on humans?
13:20 < muurkha> they're still intrinsically valuable
13:21  * L29Ah picks his nose so hard
13:21 < muurkha> and even as employees they might be cheaper than ANNs in some cases, and as the blurb above points out, expert humans still exceed the performance of ANNs in particular domains for the time being
13:22 < muurkha> but there's a world of difference between 'we're using a computer for this because a human would be too expensive' and 'we're using a human for this because a computer would be too expensive'
13:23 < L29Ah> electrical wordcels got all the attention nowadays even though they can't even lay bricks or cook dishes, wtf
13:23  * L29Ah dives back into his meatspace supremacy
13:26 < muurkha> Is there a plausible reason we should expect robots driven with existing motor control systems and sensors, but ANNs for perception and language, to be worse at laying bricks and cooking dishes than people?
13:26 < muurkha> existing ANNs, I mean, assuming no further development
14:05 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://bradyajohnston.github.io/posts/2020-04-05-animation-nodes-crashing/
14:06 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1107413637401939988/image0.gif
14:07 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://bradyajohnston.github.io/posts/2019-08-16-gfp-hat/
14:50 < alethkit> muurkha: Reliability issues, I presume.
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18:58 < muurkha> alethkit: >
18:58 < muurkha> alethkit: ?
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