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01:05 < muurkha> fenn: that is surely correct as a proposition, whatever relation it stands in to ChatGPT's "intention"
01:58  * fenn spends an hour clicking "no" and "hell no" on android app permissions...
01:58 < fenn> fat lot of good it does when the real baddies are not disable-able
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03:06 < fenn> http://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf good diagrams but the references are a little thin
03:07 < hprmbridge> kanzure> There is going to be a lot of auto-generated text on the internet and that's why I was thinking hashcash and proof of work could be used to help cut down on the spam even if you don't know the original authors Identity or trust graph ranking
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03:10 < fenn> i'm kinda blown away at how many people are super gung-ho about invasive biometrics and tethering your online identity to your personal surveillance device
03:10 < fenn> i don't even want to mention the name of the project tbh
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08:18 < kanzure> "Modeling retrosynthesis prediction as a sequence of edits" seems to have been removed, where did it go?
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16:19 < fenn> was it just a powerpoint presentation? https://www.morressier.com/o/event/5f510f8733e12ddac138e635/article/5f511d216fdcfc687198af50
16:20  * fenn notes that retrosynthesis planning software is likely a dual use technology
16:21 < L29Ah> is there a non dual use technology?
16:25 < fenn> office chairs
16:42 < muurkha> amigurumis
16:45 < juri_> bongs?
16:45 < muurkha> bongs are good!  also tamagotchis, dextromethorphan, mylar tweeters, fiberglass paddles, dye sublimation presses
16:48 < juri_> "excuse me, i need to switch to my war bong."
16:49 < muurkha> dental flossers, soft drinks, wingsuits, Tilt hydrometers for homebrewing, uh
16:51 < muurkha> kidney transplants, green fluorescent yogurt, origami cranes
16:51 < muurkha> high-productivity avocado cultivars
16:52 < muurkha> latx-free condoms, foof chairs, indoor waterfalls, most video games
16:58 < muurkha> most aspects of nail polish, cordless non-cellular phones, smart tvs
17:01 < L29Ah> HPMoR's Harry would beg to differ
17:03 < muurkha> about which one?
17:08 < muurkha> I admit it's a lot easier to think of technologies that *are* dual-use than those that aren't
17:08 < muurkha> but the latter set still seems far from empty to me
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19:03 < jrayhawk> https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/galton-ehrlich-buck interesting rhetorical point: coercive environmental politics sterilized and aborted an order of magnitude more than coercive eugenic politics did
19:05 < jrayhawk> i suppose pro-hierarchicalist harms are inherently more legible than anti-hierarchicalist harms
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21:28 < fenn> "One serving of Tea Leaf Salad, which is usually around 66 grams, contains an estimated 198 mg of caffeine. This amount of caffeine is considered to be very high compared to other food and drink products."
22:19 < jrayhawk> to be fair, sody pop contains a lot of substrate for caffeine-adjacent purine production
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