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00:24 < fenn> suzanne gildert is just too awesome
00:25 < fenn> it's unrealistic
00:26 < fenn> in 2010 ish she was advocating building superconducting adiabatic quantum optimizer (AQO) processors, in order to run huge neural networks for AGI
00:35 < fenn> or possibly just superconducting classical processors
00:36 < fenn> some sort of 3D non-von-neumann neural net electronics
00:37 < fenn> you don't have to remove as much heat and the superconductors themselves would help remove heat too
00:37 < fenn> (little known fact: a superconductor is the same temperature everywhere)
00:55 < fenn> "I read in Homer-Dixon's book 'The Ingenuity Gap' species that flourish best in systems which become more complex are those specializing in exploiting niches ... for scientific progress to work optimally there needs to be a balance between specialization and generalization, and this balance is presently off towards favouring specialization"
01:08 < muurkha> I did not know that
02:05 < fenn> is there a scrape of extropy-chat mailing list? https://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
02:06 < fenn> is extropy-chat really the same as the extropians list? also the urls seem to link to the wrong posts, based on some stuff in the wayback machine. i'm confused what's what
02:17 < fenn> i guess the post IDs are off by a single digit integer or so e.g. https://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2007-August/037197.html should be http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2007-August/037195.html
02:17 < fenn> but the delta doesn't seem to be consistently positive or negative so i dunno what the deal is
02:26 < fenn> today's memex path rabbit hole: focus fusion -> nextbigfuture -> suzanne gildert -> D-wave -> scott aaronson -> sabine hossenfelder -> amara graps -> extropy-chat
02:26 < fenn> small world
02:35 < fenn> "Minsky's confocal microscope. He built one for his PhD; the next was made more than 20 years later and it is now a laboratory workhorse"
02:36 < fenn> yep "The principle of confocal imaging was patented in 1957 by Marvin Minsky"
02:37 < fenn> there should be a field of science dedicated to implementing good ideas that smart people had a long time ago but weren't feasible or fundable at the time
02:38 < fenn> most of them are out of patent which is good for freedom but bad for finding private investment
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03:08 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/
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04:17 < fenn> ends in 2003, probably time for an update :)
04:20 < hprmbridge> kanzure> no? click around.
04:27 < fenn> i didnt see anything newer
04:30 < fenn> i'll start a wget going. hopefully nobody complains
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05:59 < L29Ah> 09:38:18]<fenn> (little known fact: a superconductor is the same temperature everywhere)
05:59 < L29Ah> bullshit!
06:00 < fenn> you are entitled to your opinion
06:01 < fenn> i'm not counting relativistic propagation delay
06:01 < L29Ah> bullshit even when ignoring the propagation delay
06:01 < L29Ah> superconductors are shitty heat conductors
06:02 < fenn> there's a combined flux limit above which the superconductor quenches
06:12 < fenn> ah it's only about temperature, magnetic field strength, and current density
06:16 < fenn> "combined limit known as the critical surface or boundary, which is a function of temperature, magnetic field, and current density ... often represented by the Ginzberg-Landau parameter"
06:16 < fenn> (chatgpt above) wikipedia sez, "κ = λ/ξ is presently known as the Ginzburg–Landau parameter"
06:17 < docl> what's up with iron being the most stable? I get that it is, and that it's a spectrum where fusion makes energy for smaller nuclei vs fission creates it for larger ones, all the grade school factoids, but not the why. is this somehow derived from universal constants, c perhaps? a particular mass to radius consideration? this has to be something we've figured out and documented in some big thick book by 
06:17 < docl> now, otherwise physicists would not shut up about the grand mystery of it
06:18 < fenn> i predict we'll find a new class of superconductors that are only active ABOVE a certain critical magnetic field
06:18 < fenn> but it'll be stupidly high strength
06:19 < fenn> docl: i think it's just packing density in the nucleus
06:22 < fenn> they're quantum waves so it's not like sphere packing, but analogous
06:24 < fenn> try cranking up all the numbers and see what it looks like: https://falstad.com/qmatom-old/
06:25 < fenn> those are electron orbitals but i hope it conveys the general idea
06:25 < docl> thanks
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06:46 < docl> chatgpt-4 agrees that it's analogous to how it works with electron energy levels. pauli exclusion factors in e.g. it looks like there's some magic empiricism involved (and hence room for theoretical research) in the assigning of constant values though.
06:46 < docl> https://chat.openai.com/share/c96caa71-01f0-4c47-863b-eaca1de59511
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07:13 < fenn> good lord it loves to blather on
07:20 < fenn> this explanation is easier for me to understand https://pastebin.com/raw/z36yD8Nc
07:21 < docl> it's like it thinks it needs to hit a certain wordcount or something. maybe there's actually a parameter for how many tokens the response should be
07:21 < fenn> it's just tuned to blabber
07:21 < fenn> set a system prompt telling it to shut up
07:25 < fenn> here's what i've been using for a while. i should probably experiment more but it's been working well: https://pastebin.com/raw/HJK5XD3b
07:27 < docl> nice
07:27 < fenn> actually it does still tend to rewrite entire functions when i only want one line changed. need to fix that i guess
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07:28 < docl> hmm. I've been using the chat interface, which doesn't have a place for "system prompt". however, I see a toggle for plugins.
07:28 < fenn> it's too bad 3.5 doesn't pay attention to system prompts
07:29 < fenn> is there not an affordance for that? i don't know
07:29 < L29Ah> that's called "refactoring" duh!
07:29 < fenn> no L29Ah it's just little crap like "can i have the background in dark gray instead"
07:30 < fenn> (which actually took 2 hours but that's another story)
08:36 < docl> trying out https://github.com/0xacx/chatGPT-shell-cli
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14:44 < Guest6> how do I hack myself
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17:53 < hprmbridge> lachlan> Uhh
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22:13 < hprmbridge> w. portr> would you think steve jobs would like the vision pro?
23:14 < hprmbridge> Eli> interesting idea. not sure docusign is going anywhere yet: https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/05/ipad-os-17s-live-collaboration-on-pdfs-could-challenge-google-docs/
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