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00:50 < fenn> an actually open source pretrained LLM (apache 2.0 license): https://huggingface.co/blog/falcon
00:52 < fenn> apparently it can run on a single A100 40 GB using 4 bit quantization, but no performance data on that use case
00:53 < fenn> slow, 0.5-1 token/second
00:54 < fenn> on an A6000, so maybe the A100 was faster
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02:15 < alethkit> w. portr: Not sure. I think he would have forced the team to make it sleeker
02:15 < alethkit> it looks heavy
02:15 < alethkit> I do wonder what metamaterials would allow for compact optics
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06:03 < fenn> new idea i just had: the inflatable habitat for more living space during the journey to mars could itself be the tether that links the two starships... it has to have enough tensile strength to withstand 1 atm pressure or whatever, but hoop stress is twice axial stress so you have all this spare tensile capacity left over. also it would allow crews to mingle between both starships, and solve the
06:03 < fenn> problem of how to hang a habitat off the top of a starship with artificial gravity
06:03 < fenn> a counterweight on a rope of length equal to half the distance between the two ships would make climbing/descending easier, more like zero-g
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08:18 < jrayhawk> http://polymatharchives.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html
08:28 < L29Ah>  Inappropriately excluded?  Remediation is possible! 
08:28 < L29Ah> Subscribe to The Polymath.
08:43 < docl> I wonder how far he's gotten with polymathica these days?
08:45 < docl> he had an entire nerdtopia dream for it but my guess is it's just at the mailing list that pays some of the bills level
08:48 < docl> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Polymathica/posts/10159239473088892/
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08:56 < docl> not ready to follow ferguson into the desert or anything, but it seems clear that polymaths who punch above their weight in quality of thinking about things exist and need spaces to let their erudite high intellectual sophistication freak flag fly without too much uh normie oversight. ideally you need a sort of ladder of slightly lower IQ translator folks to hand the insights downward towards the mean 
08:56 < docl> if you want them to influence the larger population
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09:03 < jrayhawk> i had always just assumed it was antagonistic pleiotropy
09:04 < docl> ok I googled pleiotropy and understood it in 5 seconds but not clear on how you're using the term. care to dumb it down for me?
09:05 < docl> then with any luck I can dumb it down for everyone else :)
09:06 < jrayhawk> evolution making a tradeoff between IQ and mental health
09:07 < docl> oh, gotcha
09:08 < docl> seems to correlate with anxiety, for one thing. high IQ usually anticorrelates with stuff that lands you in prison though
09:09 < jrayhawk> being unable to have a productive conversation with 90% of society would also correlate with anxiety
09:09 < jrayhawk> interesting stuff
09:10 < docl> I remember a study (or rather, anecdote about a study) where they sorted the students by working memory. then they added a prize so there would be pressure to perform, and the working memory advantage fell off
09:13 < docl> another factor in this is that academic orgs measure conformity/obedience, and people who do well there are the intersection of higher than normal on IQ as well as conformity. so people who are higher than normal on only one of these traits are excluded.
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09:18 < docl> (it's probably a little more complicated than that since high IQ probably adds more ability to mask your discontent without overtly rebelling. adds cognitive load though, making grades less good of a measure)
09:23 < docl> anyway that explains the demand for spaces like ours (high IQ / low conformity, in relative terms to most). people who did do well in academia are less likely to end up here because they have a space for their high IQ thoughts already. it's not necessarily that the high IQ makes you less conformist, per se.
09:35 < docl> also, conformity isn't useless. it's more of a tradeoff. you do want original insights, but if you can get them clustered in compatible language and shared understandings you can get a field of experts, which tends to be more a robust problem solving mechanism than a lone expert
09:37 < L29Ah> yes, also see also: design by committee
09:38 < docl> has its own wikipedia page, ironically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee
09:47 < docl> it's not that committees don't suck, of course they do. it's just that they permit decision making processes to scale laterally and civilization depends on them. perhaps AI can sub in and eliminate this unfortunate dependency one day.
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12:29 < muurkha> I am skeptical of the reliability of this article because it capitalizes "Professors" and "Physicians" as if those were brand names (like "Realtor") and because it is all in bold
12:30 < muurkha> it does seem likely that geniuses are genetically mostly crazy
12:31 < muurkha> I would also say that academic orgs measure discipline, not just conformity, and high intelligence can sometimes remove opportunities for developing discipline early on
12:32 < muurkha> also, though, it's possible that this blog post is just wrong, isn't it?
12:36 < muurkha> for example, the IQ test calibration might be slightly off (mean, sd, or both), or the distribution might depart slightly from normality
12:39 < L29Ah> is it me or google stopped displaying the number of search results?
12:40 < muurkha> yes
12:40 < muurkha> they did
12:48 < mrdata> it's an American Thing (tm) to capitalize on things
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13:19 < muurkha> it's an illiterate thing; Trump was notorious for it
16:07 < fenn> how would we know if geniuses were crazy
16:07 < fenn> literally everyone else is doing the wrong thing
16:08 < fenn> at some point you have to just say "fuck it, i'm always right"
16:23 < muurkha> well, I can tell I'm crazy in that I keep doing things I know are irrational.  presumably geniuses can do that too
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16:28 < fenn> but everyone does irrational things
16:29 < muurkha> everyone is somewhat crazy
16:30 < muurkha> but there are degrees
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17:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1666112872395726848
17:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> molecular biology animation talk will be held in Cambridge next week https://twitter.com/bradyajohnston/status/1666041673841889280
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18:32 < muurkha> .tw https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1666112872395726848
19:44 < fenn> it's really an essay. https://nitter.fdn.fr/pmarca/status/1666112872395726848
19:50 < muurkha> .t
19:50 < EmmyNoether> Marc Andreessen (@pmarca): 'AI Risk #1: Will AI Kill Us All?The first and original AI doomer risk is that AI will decide to literally kill humanity.The fear that technology of our own creation will rise up and destroy us is deeply coded into our culture. The Greeks expressed this fear in the Prometheus Myth – Prometheus brought the destructive power of fire, and more generally technology (“techne”), to man, for which Prometheus was condem
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