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11:00 < hprmbridge> jason.crawford> various outlets reporting that Ted Kaczynski has died in prison.
11:01 < hprmbridge> jason.crawford> (brace yourself for the “but he had some good points” takes)
11:07 < superkuh> The only interesting thing about Kaczynski was that he was part of an early Harvard based MK Ultra experiment. Rood riddance.
11:07 < superkuh> Good, rather.
11:08 < superkuh> ref: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/
11:38 < hprmbridge> jason.crawford> I thought this by Kevin Kelly was quite good (ignore the clickbait title) https://kk.org/thetechnium/the-unabomber-w/
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14:08 < docl> TMA: I wish I understood better why talking sometimes boosts motivation and sometimes kills it. maybe it has to do with the brain having separate modes for verbalizing vs action. maybe the brain physically pushes glucose or something to broca's area away from the cerebellum or something during analysis paralysis.
14:32 < TMA> docl: that.   and why the motivation that is FELT is sometimes incapable to move me to action, even though the FEELING is indistinguishable (like the artificial sweeteners taste sweet but fail to deliver glucosis to the bloodstream)
15:22 < docl> pseudovation
16:00 < hprmbridge> jaisel> motivation imo is a flawed concept - it leads to making excuses to not want to do stuff. I think curiosity is the core concept behind it
16:01 < L29Ah> motivation is a leaky and frequently abused concept, not necessarily a flawed one
16:02 < L29Ah> motivation is about purposes, effects and costs, not about feelings
16:04 < hprmbridge> jaisel> agreed but wouldn’t you say curiosity is a better descriptor of those things?
16:04 < alethkit> intrinsic motivation seems to be somewhat detectable
16:04 < L29Ah> curiosity is immensely vague
16:05 < alethkit> you can be curious without being motivated
16:05 < L29Ah> i can't do anything with curiosity, it doesn't give any ordering/priorities on things and doesn't lend itself to decomposition
16:05 < L29Ah> being a concept, that is
16:06 < hprmbridge> jaisel> yeah I get your point 🙂
16:07  * L29Ah evaluates his psychological theories, screams and runs away
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16:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hplusroadmap rediscovers akrasia and the purpose of thinking (or rather, when thinking is not the appropriate behavior)
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18:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.genomeweb.com/business-news/harvard-church-lab-broke-promise-nih-open-spatial-tech-licensing-vizgen-nanostring
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22:17 < fenn> "Due to circumstances beyond your control, you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
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