--- Log opened Tue Jun 13 00:00:29 2023 00:12 < fenn> this is the other side showing the hoses going into a guard box, feeding the cylinder at the end of the tube. the website says it's 1000mm/1250mm stroke 00:17 < fenn> 40mm diameter 5800lbf or 50mm diameter 9172lbf, pump output 210 bar 50-60 l/min, feed speed 38 m/s (yikes!) 00:18 < fenn> i'm pretty sure that velocity is not correct 00:21 < fenn> should be 0.5 m/s 00:29 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Yeah 38m/s would be INSANE 00:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Nylatron looks useful! Thanks! The wiki page for that leads to this which is also a useful term to know https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_bearing 00:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I always just called them a "wear surface" 00:34 < hprmbridge> nmz787> 1/4" sheet of nylatron seems pretty reasonably priced Nylatron GS Sheet, Natural, 12" x 24" x 0.25" Thick https://a.co/d/bMMYJ5q 00:34 < hprmbridge> nmz787> $56.83 00:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I could also totally ignore these cut trees and get back to lab stuff 00:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> ... 00:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> ... 00:42 < fenn> you could weld a nut onto the tube, then use pointed set screw to push on the nylatron so it doesn't wobble around too much 00:43 < fenn> 1/4" seems thin so you might need a backing plate to distribute the load more evenly 00:43 < fenn> or maybe wobbling doesn't matter at all.. 00:44 < fenn> i'm just thinking about how they did it 00:51 < hprmbridge> nmz787> 3 or 4 screws and plate seems reasonable 00:51 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Probably wobble doesn't matter too much 00:52 < hprmbridge> nmz787> For the lifetime i need especially 00:53 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I am going to look up prices for 1/4" steel, but i might ask chat gpt to write some python structural simulation code to try and figure out bending forces 00:53 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I'm not sure exactly what the prompt would be though 00:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I guess for that cylinder you mentioned, with the pressures and mechanical advantage and some rough approximation of the friction along tree bark sliding to get the resistance the cylinder would be working against 00:55 < fenn> the 40LFE can do up to 40 cm diameter trees 00:58 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Yeah that's a little larger than I am thinking, maybe 35cm... But 40 seems good just in case 00:58 < hprmbridge> nmz787> They're also working on trees that are at least 2x if not 3x longer 01:00 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Looks like a 4.5" sq tube steel at 8ft long is $400 from metal supermarkets 01:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> So i guess the tubes alone will be around $800. I think a 4*8 ft sheet of 1/4" plate is $400 01:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Not sure how much the guy down the hill plasma cuts for per hour 01:02 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Seems like cylinders would be $500 or $600 for all, I think 01:03 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Electronically actuated hydraulic valves are $150-400 on amazon, though I'm not sure the difference yet (number of channels or on off, vs reversing flow maybe) 01:03 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Hoses and adapters would probably be another $400-1000 I guess 01:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> So $3-4k it seems, not including any labor (design or welding) 01:20 < fenn> often you can find cheaper steel stock at scrap yards, sometimes there is a little area they keep stuff that seems more useful 01:20 < fenn> metal usually comes in 10 foot lengths 01:21 < fenn> you could make 2 and sell one to cover the costs 01:22 < fenn> if you bought a 10 foot tube can cut it in half, that would leave enough meat on the ends for a 1 meter stroke 01:23 < fenn> a 10 foot trailer seems a little unwieldy 01:24 < fenn> i'd ask the plasma cutter guy if he knows any good scrap yards or metal suppliers 01:45 -!- mlaga97 [~quassel@user/mlaga97] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:45 -!- mlaga97 [~quassel@user/mlaga97] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:13 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@user/nmz787] has quit [Server closed connection] 03:26 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@user/nmz787] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- uzkruh [~uzkruh@fl-67-235-196-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- uzkruh [~uzkruh@fl-67-235-196-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:39 -!- uzkruh [~uzkruh@fl-67-235-196-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:39 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamamoe@46.204.73.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:52 < fenn> fun little animation showing all spacex launches to date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3luySkHQU&t=1h37m18s 03:55 < uzkruh> Is the human body prepared for long-term space habitation? If not, what modifications are needed? 03:59 < fenn> artificial gravity is easy 03:59 < fenn> radiation might be an issue but it's generally overhyped 04:00 < fenn> we still don't know if mammals can conceive in partial gravity or freefall, because NASA has lost the plot 04:01 < uzkruh> Wait, they haven't tested? 04:01 < fenn> i know right 04:02 < fenn> JAXA now has a mouse centrifuge but i haven't looked into it yet 04:02 < uzkruh> A zero-g ratpark would be both enlightening and hilarious 04:03 < L29Ah> flying feces everywhere 04:04 < uzkruh> Oh no 04:11 -!- TMM_ [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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He thought that the key to realizing superhuman potential could perhaps be found in the same domain as astral projection, dowsing rods and reincarnation. To explore these possibilities, he founded the “Psychic Development and Research” club at his ... 09:03 < kanzure> ...school, where he and his fellow junior occultists studied the supernatural." 09:03 < kanzure> guess when that didn't work out, he thought maybe he ought to try technology instead 09:06 < kanzure> from http://www.thegenesisbook.com/ 09:14 -!- AMG [ghebo@2605:6400:c847:1449::9441] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- Croran [~Croran@user/Croran] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:02 < muurkha> that makes a lot of sense: try some approaches to realizing superhuman potential, figure out they're fundamentally flawed, and so abandon them for approaches without those fundamental flaws 10:02 < fenn> that's what i did 10:03 < fenn> can't say it's actually been any more successful 10:03 < muurkha> which fatally flawed approaches did you abandon? 10:03 < muurkha> yeah, it's not clear that the H+ project has yet been very successful at reaching its goals 10:04 < juri_> as there's more technology, odds of success increase. 10:04 < fenn> wicca low magick, orgone energy, gravitational wave sensors, other stuff that i can't remember 10:04 < muurkha> there's no such thing as technology 10:04 < fenn> concentrating M-state/ORMUS from tap water 10:05 < muurkha> I mean obviously there's no such thing as orgone energy either 10:05 < fenn> "obviously" 10:05 < muurkha> but at least orgone energy is an ontologically coherent concept, it just doesn't happen to be correct in the universe we live in 10:05 < muurkha> right, I mean, not obvious before you study it 10:06 < muurkha> technology has a lot in common with magick, as is commonly noted: esoteric knowledge enables the possessor to do the apparently impossible after they develop their abilities enough by practice and study 10:07 < fenn> yes, the first scientists were literally occult magicians 10:07 < muurkha> and of course historically technology (which, as I said, is an ontologically incoherent concept, so therefore any statement about it is subtly self-contradictory) originated from alchemy 10:07 < fenn> that doesn't sound right 10:07 < muurkha> hmm, I don't know if Archimedes and Eudoxus were literally occult magicians, but certainly Newton and Francis Bacon were 10:13 < fenn> it's easy to sit atop one molehill of knowledge and scoff with disdain at the little ants climbing the other molehills around you. it's also an article of faith that reality is self-consistent 10:14 < fenn> before climbing the molehill it's hard to see around 10:14 < fenn> as an ant anyway 10:16 < fenn> this is a cognitive bias that nobody seems worried about the AI reinforcing 10:16 < fenn> yay for the status quo 10:29 < muurkha> I'm not disdainful of orgone energy 10:29 < muurkha> is that what you meant? 10:30 < muurkha> probably once AI and MNT make the world magical people will stop believing that reality is self-consistent, as kanzure suggested the other day 10:30 < fenn> that was from the foresight WBE workshop 10:30 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:30 < muurkha> WBE? 10:30 < fenn> whole brain emulation 10:31 < muurkha> oh, of course, sorry 10:31 < muurkha> are you reading some kind of disdain into what I said above or not? If so, of what? 10:31 < fenn> i don't know, that was a different mode network talking 10:32 < muurkha> if so, you might not be the only one, and in that case I'm eager to correct whatever my misleading phrasing was 10:32 < fenn> something about bad epistemology all around 10:32 < fenn> we don't know if there are rootkits in our computers, and we don't know if there's disinformation in our science 10:33 < fenn> houses built on shifting sands shouldn't throw stones, or something 10:33 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35 < fenn> what hasn't anyone cared about the observation of room temperature superconductivity in graphite wetted with alkanes? it's a mystery 10:35 < fenn> not even so much as a debunking 10:38 < fenn> btw i'm not sure if you realized that the quote about max more was a chatGPT fabulation based on haruhi suzumiya 10:39 < fenn> or am i the one that's confused? 10:39 < fenn> this many-google-docs-files book format is horrible 10:39 < fenn> how can people live like this 10:42 < muurkha> thank you for the caution 10:42 < muurkha> ChatGPT confabulations will swallow the internet soon 10:43 < fenn> no, please disregard that, it wasn't chatGPT 10:44 < muurkha> it's probably a prior I should update, though, especially for text that has proper grammar and punctuation 10:44 < fenn> heh, works until the bots start imitating informal styles (this happens regularly with the local llama) 10:46 < muurkha> yeah, I think I predicted that yesterday on this channel 10:48 < muurkha> but for text archived from things near the current timestamp, informal style is probably still a good probabilistic indicator that it's human-generated, because the most popular entropy-monster bots are heavily trained to use proper grammar and punctuation and constantly say things like "However, it is important to remember" 11:13 < fenn> the llama chatbot has conversation history but sometimes it gets confused and starts making up the user half of the conversation 11:22 < kanzure> fenn: it was not a hallucination; that one was real. 11:23 < fenn> i figured it out eventually 11:28 -!- TMM_ [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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