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04:58 < hprmbridge> kanzure> chemcrow https://twitter.com/andrewwhite01/status/1670794000398184451
05:46 < fenn> heh. step 1. check if it is a chemical weapon. if not, go ahead. that'll stop 'em!
05:47 < fenn> i bet you can bully the AI into doing it anyway
05:52 < fenn> all these people panicking that the entire world is in danger because a chemistry robot exists somewhere
05:53 < fenn> it's like they got half of the story but not the important part
05:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> there's nothing dangerous about this
05:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> who has died?
05:54 < hprmbridge> kanzure> it's just LARP
06:00 < fenn> https://github.com/whitead/paper-qa
06:01 < fenn> reading papers for you, cause aint nobody got time for that
06:02 < fenn> "currently uses many tokens - up to 10,000 for a single query. That is $0.10-0.20 per query, so please be careful!"
06:03 < fenn> i feel that this vector database search and document retrieval approach is fundamentally weak
06:03 < fenn> why isn't anyone using domain specific LoRAs?
06:05 < fenn> GPT-4 is great but it's not worth jumping through all the insane hoops to get it to do specialized tasks
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06:29 < L29Ah> https://www.lifespan.io/news/ai-beats-humans-in-answering-healthcare-related-questions/
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07:58 < hprmbridge> kanzure> human blood as a building material available to martian colonists https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590006421000442  https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1670505155232399361
08:15 < fenn> same group realized they were being dumb and switched to potato-starch as a binder, which is strictly better
08:16 < hprmbridge> kanzure> we need to send a second sub to find and rescue the first sub.
08:17 < fenn> rescue subs only go to 2,000 feet deep, the titanic is 13,000 feet deep
08:20 < hprmbridge> kanzure> build another sub.
08:20 < hprmbridge> kanzure> how hard could it be?
08:21 < fenn> in 3 days?
08:21 < hprmbridge> kanzure> yes. do it.
08:24 < hprmbridge> kanzure> cc juri and fenn on @mechadense CAD thread https://twitter.com/mechadense/status/1671176815354806274
08:29 < fenn> i haven't looked at that at all, sorry
08:32 < fenn> eventually you have to sample the b-rep or f-rep in order to do anything with it
08:40 < hprmbridge> kanzure> yes true
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10:46 < hprmbridge> kanzure> on the synthetic human embryo announcements https://twitter.com/manuelansede/status/1669421069021728770
10:49 < hprmbridge> kanzure> embryo-embryo morphogenesis https://twitter.com/drmichaellevin/status/1671200094954176512
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13:25 < fenn> somehow i've never actually read this despite it apparently being a central piece in our little bit of the meme-o-sphere https://www.cold-takes.com/most-important-century/
13:26 < fenn> when did people stop putting dates on written pieces? it's obnoxious
13:26 < fenn> seems like it was written in 2021 or so
13:27 < fenn> i think holden's future forecasts are all absurdly slow
13:27 < fenn> e.g. 13% chance of AGI by 2060, 20% by 2100
13:28 < L29Ah> and flying cars when?
13:28 < fenn> flying cars already exist
13:28 < L29Ah> as seen in Back To The Future
13:29 < fenn> it's not my fault you expect the wrong thing
13:29 < L29Ah> i don't, i just explain away the slow predictions due to culturally induced disappointment in progress
13:30 < fenn> this was 7 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG4BBNLXFpI
13:31 < fenn> it does have space for one person lying down, although that's not obvious from the video
13:32 < kanzure> https://arep.med.harvard.edu/gmc/tech.html#invest
13:37 < fenn> L29Ah: the Mr. Fusion is the critical bit, though of course everything pales in comparison to time travel
13:38 < fenn> https://www.avalanche.energy/ "High speed ions are electrostatically confined in precessing elliptical orbits around a negatively charged cathode. The ion density is increased by the co-confinement of high temperature electrons trapped by an external weak magnetic field"
13:40 < fenn> given the structural funding problems present in the field of fusion research, and the recent uptick in VC investment in the field, an actual breakthrough could happen any day now, simply because nobody has been trying random ideas for so long
13:40 < fenn> before this pointless war in ukraine, you could buy high temperature superconducting tape with a much higher magnetic field strength than is being used in any of the big tokamak projects
13:42 < fenn> do i think avalanche's "orbitron" is the magic bullet that will definitely work? no, probably not. but there are so many of these things now it's hard to keep track, and one of them could end up working
13:45 < fenn> L29Ah: "culturally induced disappointment in progress" was a direct product of memetic warfare programs during the cold war, intended to slow and disrupt the enemy (the USA)
13:45 < fenn> L29Ah: why do russians have disappointment in progress? am i misunderstanding something?
13:47 < L29Ah> do they?
13:47 < L29Ah> Back To The Future was popular in .ru tho, so they do
13:48 < L29Ah> tbh i don't have a clue, i mostly talk either to the IT crowd, or to emigrants, so my perceptions are skewed a lot, and we don't talk much about it
13:49 < L29Ah> they certainly are overwhelmingly deathist
13:50 < L29Ah> there is no noticeable anti-nuclear movement in .ru for example tho
13:51 < L29Ah> anti-GMO sentiment is noticeable
13:55 < L29Ah> everyone owns a cellphone, being in earbuds everywhere is normal, cars are popular, dental implants are increasingly so; what else do people love to hate?
13:57 < L29Ah> "organic" foodstuffs seem less popular than in the West, tho there are some increasingly popular "farmer" brands
13:58 < fenn> would the average person think AI is good or bad?
13:59 < L29Ah> idk
13:59 < fenn> the core of postmodernism is that the future is bound to be "same shit different day"
13:59 < kanzure> maybe we need to give them something different to hate
14:00 < L29Ah> i left before AI became a popular concern
14:00 < fenn> perfect
14:00 < L29Ah> that is, nobody of average-ish persons i talked to told anything about AI
14:00 < fenn> once it becomes current events it's politicized and divorced of any connection to ideas about "progress"
14:01 < fenn> what about automation in general
14:01 < L29Ah> automation is good
14:02 < L29Ah> everyone in cities has an elevator unless their commieblock is >50yo
14:03 < L29Ah> kitchen gizmos are popular, there are some concerns about microwave ovens, but they are popular regardless
14:04 < fenn> is there a feeling that we're better off with all the "stuff" or were things better in the olden days where you got up to milk the cow at dawn
14:04 < fenn> when*
14:05 < L29Ah> robot vacuums aren't popular, probably due to the cost
14:05 < fenn> robot vacuums don't work
14:05 < L29Ah> idk my fren praises his robot vacuum
14:05 < fenn> what brand?
14:05 < L29Ah> some xiaomi lidar-enabled one
14:05 < kanzure> link?
14:06 < L29Ah> xiaomi roborock s5
14:07 < fenn> if it has lidar it probably actually plans out its path instead of bumbling around randomly
14:07 < L29Ah> it does, and show you the map of the flat for you to control its behavior
14:08 < fenn> https://i.imgur.com/3Xez2jB.png
14:08 < fenn> looks pretty sensible
14:09 < L29Ah> https://cs12.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/12/26/11/1672082341146423057.jpg likely .ru
14:09 < fenn> lol
14:10 < fenn> it wouldn't do to have dirty floors in a vacuum store
14:10 < L29Ah> tho malls and similar large spaces are usually sweeped by big machines with an operator sitting on top of it
14:11 < L29Ah> (most of what i say is relevant to Moscow; i have little clue what's outside)
14:30 < L29Ah> fenn: can you toss me an article re technopessimist memetic warfare?
14:31 < fenn> L29Ah: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260
14:32 < L29Ah> uh, ESR
14:32 < fenn> i don't go looking for anti-communist writers, it's not really my war
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15:42 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Fenn you need to get up at 3am to milk the cow
15:42 < fenn> let's keep it family friendly
15:43 < fenn> i mean, uhhh, i don't have a cow, man
15:44 < fenn> i was trying to put a neutral spin on it
15:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I paid $86 for this robovac and it works pretty well. I wish I could tell it to just do a single room, but it has some magnetic strip that I can roll out on the floor if I want to setup a keepout-zone https://www.eufylife.com/support/6319/robovac-g30-verge
15:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it's not just random, it does lines and seems to go around objects well
15:47 < hprmbridge> nmz787> socks on the floor might defeat it
15:49 < hprmbridge> nmz787> had it since last Nov.... my only issue that was totally unexpected was the noise it makes bumping around... it's quite a gentle noise, but enough to wake you up thinking there's a burgler or racoon rustling around
15:50 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (when I programmed it to run at 3AM everyday)
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16:26 < hprmbridge> kanzure> a review of in vivo DNA data recording https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/genbio.2023.0018
19:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://progress.institute/progress-is-a-policy-choice/
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