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05:35 < uzkruh> https://apnews.com/article/cultivated-meat-lab-grown-cell-based-a88ab8e0241712b501aa191cdbf6b39a
05:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> uzkruh, do you have a career in some industry?
05:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> $5,000 ultrasound imaging tool https://store.butterflynetwork.com/us/en/
05:37 < hprmbridge> kanzure> from rothberg (454)
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07:01 < kanzure> pretty long video about my previous venture https://reason.com/video/2023/06/21/shes-suing-the-fed-to-open-a-rothbardian-bitcoin-bank/
07:05 < kanzure> https://www.nationalacademies.org/event/04-19-2023/in-vitro-derived-human-gametes-as-a-reproductive-technology-scientific-ethical-and-regulatory-implications-a-workshop
07:05 < kanzure> (includes videos too)
07:06 < kanzure> session 2c is on spermatogenesis, and 2b is on oogenesis
08:27 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Pretty sure this company ghosted me like 10 years ago after they learned I wasn't a medical doctor
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08:45 < fenn> we wouldn't want people looking around inside their own bodies, it would be anarchy
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09:03 < hprmbridge> kanzure> DNA mimic of GFP https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06229-8
09:11 < hprmbridge> kanzure> these guys are claiming ultrasound to induce lucid dreaming https://roasted-suggestion-f8e.notion.site/Ultrasound-187e9d2f1e82411da274b4ab9e984b94?v=76a70c60cfc14cbb9cc2fedc80a7ea97
09:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> i don't see why they think they have something working? https://propheticai.co/pages/approach
09:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1121480623631118386/image0.png
09:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> debunking some bad arguments against polygenic screening https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1671898300008783872
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12:08 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://cronokirby.com/posts/2023/06/a-sketch-of-synthetic-cryptography/
12:13 < hprmbridge> kanzure> deep learning and molecules https://dmol.pub/
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13:40 < hprmbridge> Eli> thewright brothers flew without an understanding of the laws of aerodynamics. but it's helpful
13:42 < hprmbridge> Eli> eukaryotic life might be an inevitable result of prokaryotic life spewing oxygen waste products
14:12 < muurkha> Eli: yeah, but the humans have successfully designed lots of artifacts without studying how those artifacts could arise spontaneously.  even the Wright brothers were inspired by birds (and Santos Dumont), not by windblown sand
14:27 < fenn> the wright brothers spent years doing wind tunnel testing of models
14:27 < fenn> it's weird that nobody knows this
14:28 < fenn> https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/198082/wright-brothers-1901-wind-tunnel/
14:55 < hprmbridge> kanzure> was it helpful?
14:56 < fenn> they flew
15:01 < fenn> it's possible someone beat them to it, but was relatively unknown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead
15:11 < kanzure> when were our first gliders?
15:13 < fenn> maybe davinci in 1400s, otto lilienthal in 1891
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15:14 < fenn> The monk Eilmer of Malmesbury flew  off the roof of his Abbey in Malmesbury, England, sometime between 1000 and 1010 AD, gliding about 200 metres (220 yd) before crashing and breaking his legs.
15:15 < fenn> Hezârfen Ahmed Çelebi is alleged to have flown a glider with eagle-like wings over the Bosphorus strait from the Galata Tower to Üsküdar district in Istanbul around 1630–1632
15:15 < kanzure> what are the chances of breaking both legs on the first glide.. why not a shorter glide.
15:16 < kanzure> and why was this hard again? you couldn't just attach a propeller to a glider?
15:16 < fenn> george cayley invented the hot air engine and flew a model glider in 1804
15:16 < kanzure> maybe you can't get a large enough wingspan with available materials to support a steam propeller's weight
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15:18 < fenn> heh george cayley literally "reinvented the wheel" to make it lighter, with the concept of spokes under tension instead of compression
15:20 < fenn> power to weight ratio of early engines really sucked, aerodynamic efficiency was low, drag was high, money was scarce, and nobody knew what the hell they were doing and often died before they could learn
15:48 < L29Ah> not sure if a glider or just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite#History
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22:09 < hprmbridge> Eli> Life may be somewhat deterministic. There may not be an infinite probability space of different ways complex systems can arise. And life is a very specific complex system where matter cycles and energy flows.
22:11 < hprmbridge> Eli> Perhaps different initial conditions can lead to a world where humans can survive. For example, a high carbon earth will have one path that leads to eukaryotes. Whereas, a methane ice planet might have a different path.
22:19 < hprmbridge> Eli> An understanding of prebiotic chemistry would allow us to say, “hey, this works “. We can go from non-life to life in a lab. Therefor we can find planets most likely to allow life to begin and search them or send “seeds” to allow for panspermia without having to expose dna to radiation
22:23 < hprmbridge> Eli> I’ve always thought it was kind of dumb to go to mars without altering our dna. It was tough enough to come to America on ships. Now we’re going to go to a different planet where gravity is different and god knows what effects will occur to humans over time. Sending a seed to allow life to search the probability space of success via evolution would allow complex life to form on its own, without
22:23 < hprmbridge> Eli> preconceptions of what we think it should look like.
22:28 < fenn> evolution is cruel and slow, and gets stuck in local minima
22:29 < fenn> it seems likely that life was present on mars before earth became habitable. before that, who knows where life came from...
22:37 < hprmbridge> Eli> Alternatively, life is an inevitable chemical process that is excellent at reducing energy gradients, and does so until energy gradients cease to exist
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