--- Log opened Fri Jun 30 00:00:45 2023
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01:43 < justanotheruser> Hi all
01:45 < justanotheruser> Is there a utility which will automatically give me the DOI of any URLs paper? For example https://doi.org/10.1007/JHEP12(2021)134
01:45 < justanotheruser> for example, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/JHEP12(2021)134 -> https://doi.org/10.1007/JHEP12(2021)134
01:47 < fenn> did you know that librarians are evil
01:48 < justanotheruser> I'm trying to write a web scraper which properly handles research papers (rather than indexing the abstract / paywall page)
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03:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> search the logs for DOI.7z
03:40 < alethkit> justanotheruser: https://github.com/CrossRef/event-data-reverse
03:40 < alethkit> Start looking from there
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04:43 < justanotheruser> thanks both
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07:06 < hprmbridge> CheekyMonkey> to fund public goods such as longevity and AI alignment, I like publicly-funded X prizes with the prize money divided by Shapley values
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12:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> protein shape similarity search https://twitter.com/j_perkel/status/1674510520278466560
12:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> ("foldseek")
12:25 < fenn> twitter seems to be blocking anyone not logged in, and nitter now
12:26 < fenn> i have to wonder what they're thinking
12:31 < jrayhawk> probably dumb corporate valuation games, same as reddit
13:25 < fenn> https://brizzly.com/
14:41 < alethkit> jrayhawk: Twitter is privately owned
14:41 < alethkit> So why would corporate valuation play into it? (unless Musk really doesn't have the money for it)
14:41 < jrayhawk> but they can set stupid targets for e.g. CEO bonuses
14:41 < alethkit> jrayhawk: Isn't musk still the CEO for now?
14:41 < jrayhawk> Sure?
14:42 < jrayhawk> Musk doesn't own Twitter, a shadowy consortium generally assumed to mostly be Saudi Arabia does.
14:55 < muurkha> really?  all the lawsuits seemed to be against Elon Musk, not against a shadowy consortium
14:55 < alethkit> jrayhawk: Nope, he has full cobttol
14:55 < alethkit> *control
14:55 < muurkha> maybe you mean a shadowy consortium lent Elon Musk the money to buy it
14:56 < muurkha> "Tweeting" and "Tweeted" redirect here. For the animal behavior, see Bird vocalization.
14:56 < jrayhawk> Yeah, that.
14:56 < muurkha> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter says owned by "X Corp"
14:56 < muurkha> " It is a wholly owned subsidiary of X Holdings Corp., which is itself owned by Musk."
14:57 < muurkha> "The deal was closed on October 27, with Musk immediately becoming Twitter's new owner and CEO. Twitter was taken private and merged into a new parent company named X Corp."
14:58 < jrayhawk> So, for instance, if the financing has certain performance stipulations for growth metrics, including user signups, ad targeting heuristics, ap installs, etc, it can lead to very strange behaviors
14:59 < muurkha> "On April 20, Musk disclosed that he had secured financing provided by a group of banks led by Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Barclays, MUFG, Société Générale, Mizuho Bank, and BNP Paribas, for a potential tender offer to acquire the company.[30][31] The funding included $7 billion of senior secured bank loans; $6 billion in subordinated debt; $6.25 billion in bank loans to Musk personally, 
14:59 < muurkha> secured by $62.5 billion of his Tesla stock; $20 billion in cash equity from Musk, to be provided by sales of Tesla stock and other assets; and $7.1 billion in equity from 19 independent investors."
14:59 < muurkha> So I guess the question is who these independent investors are and how much equity and control they have?  But presumably not more than 71/271
15:00 < jrayhawk> Or if he intends to use such growth metrics for future financing
15:05 < jrayhawk> Or if he intends to jump ship in an IPO
15:09 < jrayhawk> The Turkish Election censorship, for instance, was clearly not the actions of an independent free speech activist.
15:12 < jrayhawk> *Somebody* has him by the balls, just like Spez.
15:19 < muurkha> maybe he just does random incoherent things all the time?
15:22 < jrayhawk> Such a model provides no useful predictive value.
15:23 < jrayhawk> And can equally apply to all reality.
15:23 < jrayhawk> "random stuff just happens, you know?"
15:27 < alethkit> I mean, yes
15:28 < muurkha> Well, you do need some kind of baseline prior probability distribution
15:28 < alethkit> you do?
15:29 < alethkit> I don't believe probability distributions work under open world assumptions
15:29 < muurkha> yeah, there isn't a uniform probability distribution over ℝ, much less ℝⁿ
15:29 < muurkha> but a model that a particular person just does the kinds of things that people do at random is much better than a model that makes highly confident predictions that are wrong
15:30 < muurkha> in the sense that it has a lower Kullback-Leibler divergence
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15:31 < muurkha> alethkit: I think you're saying something incoherent, but I'm not sure what it is
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15:36 < alethkit> I mean, it's just that life has very high convexity, which means trying to use probabilities isn't worth it
15:36 < alethkit> think info-gap decision theory
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15:38 < muurkha> very high convexity?
15:45 < alethkit> yes
15:45 < alethkit> in terms of the shape of outcomes
15:55 < muurkha> the shape of outcomes?
15:55 < alethkit> payoff matrix, sorry
15:56 < muurkha> it sounds like you're just listing buzzwords
15:56 < alethkit> hm
15:56 < muurkha> possibly you have a coherent thesis connecting them?
15:57 < alethkit> possibly
15:57 < alethkit> not when sleep-deprived, though
16:01 < muurkha> something about how Bayesian decision theory isn't a good model of the real world because of something about mathematical models of two-player games
16:11 < jrayhawk> i would assume convexity refers to narrowness of the confidence interval, which is a fair point
16:15 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://codex.flywire.ai
16:15 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.27.546656v1
16:15 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.27.546055v1
16:17 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://codex.flywire.ai/app/cell_details?data_version=630&root_id=720575940621675174
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16:48 < muurkha> "convexity" generally refers to having a nonnegative second derivative, which has nothing whatsoever to do with confidence intervals
16:50 < muurkha> in connection with optimization algorithms, convex loss functions are nice because they don't have local minima for an interior-point method to get stuck in
16:50 < muurkha> but it's unclear what that has to do with what alethkit was saying, if anything
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