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01:34 < hprmbridge> nmz787> L29ah well dogs have better noses than humans, so uplifting intelligence isn't going to be quite the same featureset as a human
01:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Also I wonder if uplifting a dog would mean they take a year to learn how to walk, rather than a few weeks or days
01:58 < muurkha> walking on four legs might be intrinsically easier
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05:03 < fenn> i assume we talked about this before because apparently i archived it. why can't china just do massively parallel proton beam lithography? https://www.transmute.com/
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05:49 < nsh> have you considered that perhaps the time it takes to learn how to use a complex arrangement of organs is already quite well adjusted to the morphogenesis thereof?
05:51 < nsh> room for improvements i suppose, if you're happy to be myopic about the multivaluedness of your objective function because why not we've gotten so far already being ignorant
05:57 < jrayhawk> And also bipedalism forces an earlier birth in the encephalization curve due to skull impaction with narrow hips.
05:58 < L29Ah> at least one doesn't give birth to 10 puppies at once
05:59 < jrayhawk> Which is why human babies are born as helpless tubes of fat where most animals are born lean and mobile within hours.
06:00 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1126135559337803837/image0.jpg
06:05 < jrayhawk> so, yes, four legs is easier, but not for the reasons of training
06:06 < jrayhawk> or, at least, not mostly
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07:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Fenn this seems relevant https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b6a0308b98a78b918c0e81a/1535063443143-2T434Z8RYS83XX051Z24/e-beam+vs+p-beam.JPG?format=1000w
07:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> But e beam has been in full swing active development for lithography for at least a decade or two
07:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I'd guess proton or any other particle litho would be interesting too... But the machines have to exist, the process has to be perfected (at least from the manufacturer's perspective), then it has to be integrated into the fab floor as well as fab design rules, and has to actually ramp up to high volume production quality
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16:17 < kanzure> .gpt4 using verilog, write some code to represent a few million e-beams on a MEMS device
16:18 < gptpaste> ​Creating a Verilog code to represent a few million e-beams on a MEMS device would be quite complex and beyond the scope of this platform. However, I can provide you with an example of how you might start to model a single e-beam. ```verilogmodule EBeam(    input wire clk,    input wire reset,    output reg [31:0] position_x,    output reg [31:0] position_y);// Assumin - http://sprunge.us/iCyz6k
16:19 < kanzure> pfft
16:19 < kanzure> that seems to be for a controller. close enough.
16:32 < TMA> hmm... We safely aborted connection on sprunge.us because it was infected with URL:Blacklist
16:33 < TMA> and twitter frontend/tracking remover nitter.cz  "URL:TechScam"
16:34 < TMA> Avast antivirus protects me a bit too much at times
16:34 < TMA> "protects"
17:04 < hprmbridge> kanzure> ".... The authors take the synthetic M. mycoides JCVI-syn3B minimal genome strain from 2016 and show it can evolve to be fit over 2000 generations, without compromising its synthetic 'streamlining'." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06288-x
17:41 < hprmbridge> kanzure> @ml3 calendar invite says 20 minutes from now?
17:42 < hprmbridge> jonahwei> @kanzure it should be for the 19th. Will fix that.
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18:45 < hprmbridge> ml3> I suspect that even just developments in human-animal communication at their current intelligence (have you send the dogs pressing word buttons recently?) would raise these sorts of concerns
18:46 < hprmbridge> ml3> https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/how-to-teach-your-dog-to-talk/
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19:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> one would think that/not/ adding communication would be the ethical problem, not adding it
19:55 < fenn> apparently humans are so dumb they don't realize that animals can think unless the animals push buttons to speak
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