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06:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Comparing dendritic trees with actual trees" https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.01499
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07:29 < kanzure> a tour of AMD's facilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H4eg2jOvVw
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10:09 < hprmbridge> Eli> “Your academic journal application has been rejected because it is hard to believe “
10:44 < docl> good morning hplus
10:45 < docl> what are y'all thinking about lately
10:47 < docl> or working on, better yet even
10:48 < TMA> whether a relationship that currently makes the other person happy but will hurt them down the road (in proportion to the sum of positive happiness extracted) shall be terminated as soon as possible or after the hapiness dividend dries out
10:49 < docl> ah, that's a hard one. seems like a waste to terminate it before all the happiness was extracted, but there can be opportunity costs like delaying the next relationship
10:51 < TMA> also, the backlash would be greater if all the happiness would be extracted
10:52 < TMA> (the opportunity cost is one part, the loss of invested emotions is another cost)
10:52 < TMA> and as for working: some minor fixes and major refactorings of an open source game
11:28 < docl> what's the game?
12:21 < muurkha> I'm thinking about Hypothesis, GPT-4, Cortex-M0, Minimax RISC-V, the role of precision in mass-production, the flavor of yerba mate, the miraculous genesis of the Haas avocado, and procrastination, motivation, agency, akrasia, and discipline
12:30 < L29Ah> docl: today i'm busy with studying serbian, boring domestic stuff, 3d printing boring domestic stuff, writing a stellar wallet, arguing in them internets, developing a diy protein bar, boring nda programming stuff
12:37 < L29Ah> > delaying the next relationship
12:37 < L29Ah> just go polyamory instead
12:46 < Hooloovoo> I'm thinking about fixing an old 3-speed bike which needs a weird size spoke, my graphing calculator collection (I need more 68k), work being more or less bullshit, beer, upgrading some of my computer SW and mainly just chilling on the couch after a short week
12:59 < TMA> docl: it's called Exile https://content.minetest.net/packages/Mantar/exile/
12:59 < TMA> docl: the unreleased v4 branch
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13:33 < muurkha> Hooloovoo: oh interesting, which calculators are 68k?
13:33 < muurkha> something TI maybe?
13:33 < Hooloovoo> the ones I have are the TI-89 and TI-92 plus
13:34 < muurkha> aha
13:34 < muurkha> have they been thoroughly rooted?
13:34 < Hooloovoo> I think all the TI 68ks are all in that series but there's an 89 that has USB and is faster, and versions of the 92 that aren't the one I have
13:34 < Hooloovoo> yes. completely
13:35 < muurkha> awesome!
13:35 < muurkha> http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/68k:thecalcs is a nice page
13:35 < Hooloovoo> https://my.calcs.quest/u/67
13:36 < Hooloovoo> I consistently forget about the v200. mostly since it didn't actually add anything to the 92
13:37 < muurkha> I'm guessing they're a lot more expensive than an ESP32-C2 but come with a screen, keyboard, and battery built in?
13:37 < Hooloovoo> tibasicdev is a great site
13:37 < muurkha> I see that your avatar is largely a shade of the color blue
13:37 < muurkha> that's a heck of a collection
13:38 < muurkha> what possible communications peripherals do they have built in?
13:38 < Hooloovoo> I mean, the whole point is that it's a computer programmible from the buttons on the front. the esp32 isn't like that
13:39 < Hooloovoo> also thanks for getting the h2g2 ref
13:39 < muurkha> well, you can hook a keyboard up to the esp32
13:39 < L29Ah> esp32 is a computer programmable over wifi from a much more comfy interface of your laptop ;]
13:39 < muurkha> but it doesn't come with one
13:40 < muurkha> https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-1297833733-calculadora-graficadora-texas-instruments-tinspire-cx-ii-cas-_JM seems like the first relevant hit on MercadoLibre.  $170699, a bit pricey
13:40 < Hooloovoo> there's not a lot built into most of them. all the later (post 2004) ones have USB for transferring files (and more creative stuff if you hack it)
13:40 < muurkha> that's US$360 roughly, same price as a decent laptop
13:40 < Hooloovoo> that's at least three times what it's worth
13:40 < muurkha> infrared, microphone, speaker, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth?
13:41 < Hooloovoo> there are peripherals for science classes that will do... some of those thigns
13:41 < muurkha> maybe it's worth more in Argentina because importing things is impossible
13:42 < Hooloovoo> I know you can do audio with 83+ series via the data port. I think you can do IR through it too but it's non standard
13:42 < Hooloovoo> nspires use wifi for classroom stuff but it's fairly non-standard and unusable for normal stuff
13:43 < Hooloovoo> you could load linux on an nspire and do whatever but at that point you're already using a computer, a usb hub, and a decent number of peripherals
13:43 < muurkha> have you done experiments with more extreme forms of wearable computing?  I mean a TI calculator fits in your pocket but it requires your eyes and full attention so it's useless for ambient awareness stuff
13:44 < muurkha> it's promising that they've all been thoroughly rooted
13:44 < Hooloovoo> I wear a casio calculator watch most of the time
13:44 < Hooloovoo> the later CX-IIs haven't, to my knowledge
13:46 < muurkha> I'm guessing the watch isn't programmable?
13:47 < muurkha> the 68000 instruction set is pretty decent
13:48 < muurkha> calculator watches kind of also require your full attention most of the time, though in theory you could set alarms and things
13:49 < Hooloovoo> nope. though there is a https://github.com/travisgoodspeed/goodwatch/ replacement board that will let you do pretty much most things
13:49 < Hooloovoo> I mean most of the time I just use them as a watch. rarely for timers. even rarely as a calculator
13:50 < Hooloovoo> mostly it's a "I'm a goddamn nerd" fashion statement
13:53 < Hooloovoo> (I have at least 4 watch colors I rotate through)
14:14 < muurkha> I used to have one, maybe I should get a new one
14:14 < muurkha> do you have any slide rules?
14:22 < Hooloovoo> I do but it's in a box in the basement
15:06 < fenn> docl: historical witchcraft, garry nolan's UFO sample isotope ratios, stable diffusion comfyUI, chatGPT NPC skyrim mods, local LLaMa et al., dying slowly
15:09 < hprmbridge> nmz787> "chip maker" pffft
15:40 < juri_> I actually have some PRs to file for HSlice. been working on some more changes to support Tscherne's merge algorithm, and general bug fixing.
15:41 < juri_> I'm hoping to have Tscherne, and extended tscherne by ccc camp.
15:42 < fenn> what does "Tscherne" mean?
15:42 < juri_> it's a straight skeleton algorithm.
15:43 < juri_> specifically, a system for merging adjacent cells into a whole, when those cells have interior nodes that cross the divide of the cell, into the neighboring cell.
15:44 < fenn> this is for inset or outset operations?
15:44 < fenn> or just a boolean union without all the junk
15:44 < Hooloovoo> wait what is ccc? I think of the chaos computer club
15:45 < fenn> that's the one
15:45 < juri_> fenn: for inset and outset, yes.
15:45 < fenn> Hooloovoo: it's now a yearly conference
15:45 < juri_> I'm actually trying to present at the once-every-four-years camp.
15:46 < muurkha> no, the club is not a yearly conference
15:46 < muurkha> they host one
15:46 < muurkha> also, confusingly, abbreviated as CCC
15:46 < Hooloovoo> the camp is like every other year though right? or maybe I'm thinking of toorcamp
15:47 < muurkha> Chaos Communication Camp
15:47 < muurkha> but the club still exists: https://www.ccc.de/en/
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20:17 < hprmbridge> Eli> https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-urge-caution-gene-early-human.html
20:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> well then use a better germline engineering method.
20:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> there's a few options
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23:00 < hprmbridge> Eli> Base editing?
23:34 < muurkha> so I was looking at more info about the Skywater/efabless thing and it looks like they do fully support analog chips:
23:34 < muurkha> https://github.com/efabless/caravel_user_project_analog
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