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05:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tsmc-delays-arizona-chip-plants-mass-production-amid-labor-shortage
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05:36 < L29Ah> > So access to skilled workers remains problematic as Western countries attempt to decouple from China. 
05:36 < L29Ah> it would be possible after abolishing the restrictive immigration policies of the last ~40 years: this way the labor and some material costs in US would go towards the planetary average, and it will become profitable to produce chips there again due to a better investment climate compared to kleptocratic asian shitholes, probably even without redistributive subsidizing
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06:41 < hprmbridge> kanzure> smart dog/animal competition, with prize money funded by sponsors like purina or petsco. what are the competitive events?
07:00 < hprmbridge> Eli> didnt these chip people get huge subsidies from the fed gov recently? If you have a labor shortage, just pay people more. Lots of layoffs in the tech industry rn.
07:00 < kanzure> maybe there is a genuine training problem, where they don't have enough equipment or educational equivalents to teach people how to plug them in
07:12 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> The chip industry was never a problem of raw expenditure. It won't be solved by just throwing money at it, there needs to be a real government plan to build up infrastructure
07:14 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> But I have serious doubts in the US governments ability to fund anything properly aside from military r&d and that's mostly because that's insulated slightly from the political idiots
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07:55 < docl> kanzure: symbol recognition and accurate substitutions. get dog to simulate regex / finite state machine reliably. you could select symbols w/ meaning for dog like smell saturated cards. sponsor could create an alphabet from dog food flavors. a visual symbol on the card makes it human readable, QR coded for machine readable. arrange cards in some order then teach the dog to follow rules specified using 
07:55 < docl> another set of cards of the same alphabet to produce an output, detect cases of rules not followed, detect ambiguous rulesets
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09:59 < docl> fenn: well the 'stochastic parrots' have come a long way since gofai was coined in 1985, but the problem remains that they lose track of mess pretty easily. just less so. my position is that the advance that triggered the rise of sapiens is probably related to devoting lots of resources (neurons, or some feature thereof) to *distinguishing* messes vs patterns. neural networks are basically ways to 
09:59 < docl> preserve regularity (the video I referened mentions derivatives in a way I think is relevant) where it can be found in spite of mess. if you optimize over a mess you get more of it, so that's the fundamental task
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10:21 < muurkha> I don't think gurki had become a stochastic parrot in 01985
10:21 < muurkha> I think he started parroting those memes this year
10:22 < muurkha> "mess"?
10:22 < muurkha> who's the famous stochastic parrot?  Timnit Gebru, right?
10:22 < muurkha> I don't think she started parroting those memes until like two years ago
10:23 < muurkha> by "mess" do you mean "random noise"?
10:25 < docl> approximately so
10:41 < jrayhawk> convention is for zero-prepended numbers to be interpreted as octal
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11:43 < FourFire> greetings, question for kanzure: may I use the gnusha dataset for LLM experiments?
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11:52 < hprmbridge> kanzure> like what
11:52 < hprmbridge> kanzure> most likely yes.
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19:36 < kanzure> hmph
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