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02:07 < hprmbridge> Eli> @alonzoc have you tried anything else? I see a lot of advertisements for new probiotics that are supposed to help with GI issues. No idea if they are legit …
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05:50 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Probiotics help me recover from a flare, and helped me come off antibiotics but they're not actually useful for managing flares as far as I can tell
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08:11 < stipa> probiotics are useless if the cause pf  problem is still present
08:14 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Exactly, they're main utility is aiding in reconstructing the microbiome after it's been nuked from orbit
08:14 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Very useful for recovering quickly from antibiotics, a flare, or stomach bug
08:15 < L29Ah> so, my fren's fren got metastatic cancer that even the mainstream immunotherapy fails to contain (Pembrolizumab); are there black market personalized cancer vaccine/immunotherapy options these days for relatively cheap?
08:18 < stipa> healthy diet
08:23 < fenn> L29Ah: andrew hessel might know
08:23 < fenn> or point you in the right direction at least
08:25 < fenn> https://www.humanegenomics.com/
08:29 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOH1996 This is a recent thing
08:30 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Was effective against like 50 different cultures iirc, stage 1 human trials are beginning as well
08:31 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I don't know about black market but have they tried tcell therapy?
08:34 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR_T_cell
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09:01 < hprmbridge> Eli> Cheap immunotherapy? Does that exist?
09:03 < hprmbridge> Eli> Honestly, you should be going with what your doctor and cancer nutritionist recommend. That’s the safest way to go. Then try to get in a clinical trial. That will cheapen treatment while possibly giving you leading edge stuff
09:06 < jrayhawk> if standard of care is rapid decline and death, the doctor and nutritionist are professionally restricted to standard of care, they seem pretty far down on the list of people to continue listening to
09:07 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> yeah in the UK I know we have some kind of "early access" scheme under the NHS for near terminal patients
09:07 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> you wanna do a hail mary and potentially help research? go for it
09:15 < jrayhawk> i was impressed with thomas seyfried's 6-Diazo-5-oxo-L-norleucine press-pulse therapy as a concept, though a lot of his theorizing is a bit far out
09:21 < jrayhawk> it is not really a DIY solution, though, unless you are thoroughly crazy
09:23 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Someone here is prolly crazy enough, hell if I had untreatable cancer and couldn't get in on something like that I would prolly burn all my money doing some self-experimentation. If you're gonna die anyway it might be worth trying
09:23 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Issue is as I know when you're ill your energy and focus really does fall through the floor
09:24 < jrayhawk> i mean, burning through all your money having an experienced crash team make sure you don't die if something goes even slightly wrong with the glutamine suppression pulse would be a higher priority
09:24 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I don't know much on the press-pulse stuff I was more thinking about stuff along the lines of T-Cell reprogramming, but yeah any form of cancer treatment is gonna be rough on your body it's not something you do alone in a shed
09:25 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> whoops, your all alone and have triggered a Cytokine storm. Game Over. (Even if it would work)
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14:38 < hprmbridge> Eli> cancer therapies tend to be more lenient with toxicity.
14:39 < hprmbridge> Eli> They should ask their doctor about trials. Doctors are usually plugged into ongoing medical trials. You can have your friend check this out, too: https://clinicaltrials.gov/
14:42 < fenn> friend is probably not in USA
14:42 < fenn> just a guess
14:50 < hprmbridge> Eli> these trials are worldwide
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15:50 < L29Ah> Eli: Russia is probably outside of worldwide these days as far as USA and EU is concerned
15:51 < L29Ah> No records found. Please try different keywords and search again.
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16:26 < hprmbridge> Eli> oh ... dang
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20:40 < kanzure> https://www.einnews.com/amp/pr_news/648932207/restrictive-indian-laws-on-surrogacy-force-wealthy-indians-to-go-to-usa-surrogacy-to-expand-families-and-opportunities
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23:24 < Urchin[emacs]> hi
23:53 < juri_> hello!
23:54 < juri_> L29Ah: o/
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